This is based on some stuff I read in this thread: http://atheistforums.org/thread-4428.htm...light=evil
The thread is from last year, so I didn't want to comment on it, and I don't really want to discuss it's actual topic, but more what some of the responses were about. Mainly, the idea that God is always "just" and even the genocide and slaughter of the Old Testament can be justified given that God is always "just", or good.
So the question I'm asking is, if we assume first God is real, then what reason do you have to believe that God is always "just", when he himself seems to deny that.
Out of the mouth of the Most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lam. 3:38.)
Thus saith the Lord, Behold I frame evil against you and devise a device against you. (Jer. 18:11.)
I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Is. 45:7.)
Shall there be evil in the city, and the Lord hath not done it? (Amos 3:6.)
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments that they should not live. (Ezek. 20:25.)
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. (2 Thes. 2:11.)
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (1 Kings 22:23.)
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. (Ezek. 14:9).
With the above being in the Bible, how can you claim God is always "just" and cannot "lie"? It seems like God himself refutes that. If the problem is that we aren't capable of understanding how that could be justified, then what's the point, anyway? Why would God deal in such powerful human emotions such as rape and murder, and lies, and expect us to rationalize it somehow when we're not given any tools to do so? I don't see how, even if God is real, you'd want to deal with that in the first place.
The thread is from last year, so I didn't want to comment on it, and I don't really want to discuss it's actual topic, but more what some of the responses were about. Mainly, the idea that God is always "just" and even the genocide and slaughter of the Old Testament can be justified given that God is always "just", or good.
So the question I'm asking is, if we assume first God is real, then what reason do you have to believe that God is always "just", when he himself seems to deny that.
Out of the mouth of the Most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lam. 3:38.)
Thus saith the Lord, Behold I frame evil against you and devise a device against you. (Jer. 18:11.)
I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Is. 45:7.)
Shall there be evil in the city, and the Lord hath not done it? (Amos 3:6.)
Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments that they should not live. (Ezek. 20:25.)
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. (2 Thes. 2:11.)
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (1 Kings 22:23.)
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. (Ezek. 14:9).
With the above being in the Bible, how can you claim God is always "just" and cannot "lie"? It seems like God himself refutes that. If the problem is that we aren't capable of understanding how that could be justified, then what's the point, anyway? Why would God deal in such powerful human emotions such as rape and murder, and lies, and expect us to rationalize it somehow when we're not given any tools to do so? I don't see how, even if God is real, you'd want to deal with that in the first place.
