(July 3, 2016 at 6:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:(July 3, 2016 at 6:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Which isn't actual light but a metaphor for things unseen. We're back to the same problem in that God is not manifest in the sense of being apparent to our senses.
It's a metaphor but it's also represents a reality. A reality we all are part of. A reality we see with our souls all the time.
No. This is not a reality we are "all" part of. What really steps on my nerves is when some religious person tells me what I am a part of or tells me that I am a creation of god, no matter what I say. Stop dismissing my rights to believe or not believe as I so choose.
It is one thing entirely to have the opinion that you feel there is a god and that that god does this or created that. It is quite another to force those opinions on people who don't share those opinions, by saying such things. No... I don't subscribe to your god non-sense and I don't have to. Nor should I be told that basically, like it or not... I am part of your god's world. No no and no.
Quote:Jormungandr, you know what I don't get. Why is the purpose here in these forums simply to put question things and never affirm anything. Do Atheists truly doubt free-will that no one comes to the defense of the belief in free-will and that we ought to know we have it.
There is more than one purpose to these forums. Are part of them to question things and affirm things? Sure. And we do. Just because the majority here do not subscribe to a god, any god for that matter, doesn't mean that we don't affirm anything. Why you ask this after being on these forums for years, is beyond me. Perhaps it is you that is close-minded to the possibility that atheists can and do have interest in other things outside of debating theists.
Quote:Do people truly not believe in objective value to humans? Is this actually true?
Perhaps you can provide an example of what you think objective value to humans is.
Quote:Why is the truth Beccs found in her own words to be "there is no gods, there is no religions...", why not affirmations about ourselves, like praise, honor, value, beauty of love in objective way....
She has a right to her opinions. That's why. Additionally, I can personally affirm that I have honor, value and beauty of love in my life. Just because I don't subscribe to a magical sky fairy doesn't mean those things are absent from my life. Who said one needs a god to have those things in their life?
Quote:The attitude here is yes even question that, doubt that....or if people don't doubt it, they don't care to come to it's defense.
It seems people here don't care much about meaning at all. We talk about how we can have meaning without God which is fine, yet, where is the search of higher meaning by others here? No one cares.
It would seem to me, anyway, that you are trying to find some sort of loophole somewhere to get atheists to subscribe to some sort of deity.
Why would an atheist defend religion? What purpose would that serve?
Quote:What do you value most in life and why?
I value love, life, respect, trust, compassion, empathy, peace and freedom. Why? Because they are, in my opinion, important things to have in one's life if one wishes to be happy. If you walk around angry all the time, you're gonna be pretty miserable. Again, my opinion. [/quote]
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