God: Proofs of non-existence and existence.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Let's try again shall we?

There is, nor can be, proof of God's existence. Simple. Theists out.

So it is valid to assume there is no god (in exactly the same way as we assume that the moon is not made of green cheese and that little green men in flying saucers are not constantly "buzzing " our Earth) until actual evidence is supplied yes?

Why is it that anyone believing in something religious believes that their case is different to any other's? Whether it be a religion, santa claus or the green cheese you mentioned, religious people will forever insist that their belief should be bound by the same rules as anything conflicting. Surely one cannot get more delusional and unreasonable than this.

You show me how it isn't different and I'll consider it. Meantime... why do you insist something that doesn't exist in the realm of discernible proof by definition has to be proved in the realm of discernible proof? No no, it's fine.. of course - you're logic is solid.

CORRECTION: Why do you insist something that is claimed doesn't exist in the realm of discernible proof by definition has to be proved in the realm of discernible proof?

The answer of course is simple ... there is no evidence for that which you claim nor for any of the millions of other things similarly claimed to exist in the same or similar "realms". The only things that have EVER been reasonably confirmed to exist are those in the natural universe.

In the end it comes down to this very simple concept ... extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you haven't provided any therefore it is safe to assume that what you claim has no (ZERO, NADA, ZIP) basis in truth and the claimant is either a fraud or deluded.

And as I have previously observed, sarcasm works much better when you actually have a valid point ... why don't you try and find one?

Nice piece of circumnavigation Kyu. Christopher Columbus would've been proud. You can't answer my point so you make up your own. Easier to argue with cliches isn't it.

Not in the slightest ... the fact is that you are unable to supply evidence (or even a convincing reason for it to be) to support the claimed existence of your god so (the real cliché) you are forced to resort to hiding your god in places that cannot be investigated. That I (or anyone else) can call you on that is simple objectivity, that you keep dodging the question simply highly (as always in this forum) you utter disingenuity.

I repeat, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you haven't provided any therefore it is safe to assume that what you claim has no (ZERO, NADA, ZIP) basis in truth and the claimant is either a fraud or deluded.

I'm just starting to laugh at this now. I love you Kyu. Will you have my babies?

Yet another dodge ... you really are quite skilled at being disingenuous aren't you?

Oh and have you ever noticed that people start cracking jokes when they can't directly answer a question? It seems to happen when someone is cornered.

Kyu makes no point.. what am I to do in the face of infinite quotation of the same lines? Give me a serious point and I'll try my best to answer, no problem.

You've had countless questions asked of you and serious points raised yet you fail to give any intelligent answer. It seems to be a habit of yours to avoid any question which you can't answer. You consistently undermine intelligent discussion by turning a debate into a discussion about which point is what. Your tactics, it would seem, are to confuse rather than to educate.

You are calling me unintelligent. Notice that I never call anyone else unintelligent. This is a personal attack and not addressing any point. You repeat the same question and I keep pointing out to you the fallacy of the reasoning. You have to resort to ridicule rather than consider something outside the strict confines of discernible proof. Open your mind.

Now are you going to answer (properly) the points I have made (and I'll summarise)?

1. So it is valid to assume there is no god (in exactly the same way as we assume that the moon is not made of green cheese and that little green men in flying saucers are not constantly "buzzing " our Earth) until actual evidence is supplied yes?
   
2. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you haven't provided any therefore it is safe to assume that what you claim has no (ZERO, NADA, ZIP) basis in truth and the claimant is either a fraud or deluded.

I will also address your "unintelligent" claim.

No, Thoughtful didn't say you were unintelligent, in essence he said you failed to give intelligent answers when faced with questions or points you don't want to deal with. This is fair criticism especially when dealing with someone as disingenuous as you and yes, that was a direct and personal criticism of you and your behaviour (one that can easily be supported from your behaviour in this forum).

Kyu