(July 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(July 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Ignorant Wrote: Consider an example:
Am I existing simultaneously with your existence? Yes. Is carbon existing simultaneously with both our existences? Yes. Does your existing depend on my simultaneous existing? No. Does carbon depend on either yours or my or both our existing? No. Does both our existing depend on carbon's simultaneous existing? Yes. If in one moment, carbon ceased existing, then both you and I, in the exact same moment, would also cease existing. We exist on the condition that carbon simultaneously exists.
We are carbon existing. [1] You're just playing word games. We don't exist separate from existing as carbon and other molecules. [2] You've made an existential relationship out of a conceptual one. [3] Providing examples isn't going to clear that error. [4]
1) Exactly! So what is carbon? Whatever that answer is... what is that thing? Either that line of questioning continues forever... or it ends with: what is it? It is 'existing' itself, 'being' itself.
2) That is precisely the point!
3) See above. I AM carbon existing in a particular way. Any thing is some other more fundamental thing existing as the greater-whole-thing. Either there is ultimately some fundamental existence, or everything is an infinity of more fundamental existing things.
4) It looks like it just did! =)