(July 23, 2016 at 12:48 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:(July 23, 2016 at 12:38 am)wallym Wrote: When Trump says America first, this is what I think of. Stopping outsourcing with the trade deals written by corporate lobbyists looking to drive up their stocks, and stop corporations/shady business from driving down wages through shady legal, and illegal immigration. People try to paint it as some Aryan white thing. But when I think America first, I think about giving poor black community at least a chance. My family got ours when the getting was good. But now, that opportunity is gone. I'd like to see it brought back. I don't know if Trump can do it. Probably not. But at least he'll be pushing in the right direction, I think.
I get this sentiment, but he is speaking purely to the populists when he says stuff like this. He is part of the Republican Party now. De-regulators. Not the party that is going to enact laws that will force companies to do things that will cost them money. I don't understand how people believe him. This man is speaking in terms that are solely for the people that want to hear it.
His party, the Republicans, live off of making promises that they know they can't or won't fulfill. That run contrary to their very core, which is smaller government, less corporate regulation. There is simply no trade deal that China will not undercut. There is no realistic corporate tax haven that some de-regulated country will not do better. It will always be cheaper to move your business elsewhere once it grows to a certain size with the capital to do so. Getting rid of illegal labor has been tried. It was a disaster in Alabama, as no one wanted to do the work that was left over. Even the people they found or forced to do it did a shitty job and the farmers who were against it in the first place got a big "I told you so."
It's a red herring to think any political party can significantly change this.
Yup, that's definitely the trick of it all. Is he just saying what people want to hear, or did he just steal the Republican Party nomination from the Republican Party, and he's doing his own thing.
Some cause for optimism on that front, is that a lot of the establishment has abandoned him. The Bush's are voting for Clinton. He's having trouble raising money. The shady corporate folks have abandoned him. Maybe it's because rich white republicans just LOVE illegal immigrants and muslims SOOO much that their sensitive consciousnesses can't handle his positions that could be interpreted as racist. Or, maybe it's because their interests are so heavily tied to Wallstreet, the TPP, and Military intervention around the world.
The practicality. I don't know. If nobody wants the shitty jobs, maybe hand out some visas. But I do know people want construction jobs. People will take janitorial jobs. People work in fast food industry. People loved working at Disney. Maybe you have to pay a bit more. Maybe that makes the price of a big mac go up 20 cents. But that seems like a good tradeoff to me.
On trade, we'll see (or probably won't). Nobody has ever really tried anything other than doing exactly what corporations want. I want to give a populist a shot. Whether it was Bernie or Trump. I think the people want that as well. I think the majority of people in the US want to see the US reshape how it interacts with the world.
But even if it can't be fixed. The idea of having some people in charge that consider the welfare of Americans could be pretty exciting. And if that kind of thing gains momentum, maybe there can be some trickle down into the senate and house.