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Is God always "just"?
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RE: Is God always "just"?
(May 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I am assuming you were wanting to hear from Christians on this as well?

Injustice is giving someone something worse than they deserve. In Christian theology all humans are conceived into original sin. Since this sin was committed against a being with infinite authority only an infinite punishment would be just. God could justly issue this punishment at the moment of conception, but instead he has given all men a form of common grace. He allows men to live a life that is far better than they really deserve. So I would argue that even if God ordains pain and suffering it is still far less than the person deserves and is not injustice at all, but rather grace which is a form of non-justice.

Objecting to this would be like calling someone unjust for asking you to pay them three dollars when you really owed them 1000. This would be completely irrational. Hope that helps.

I think this post really hits on one of the critical aspects of this question that hasn't been fully addressed in this thread, and that is that justice is conditional. Doesn't justice depend on your point of view? If a Christian truly believes in Christ and the idea of the biblical nature of God, then God rules the universe, has laws, and that there is a complex plan that a mere human can never fully comprehend.

If you believe that, how can any action that God takes be unjust? No matter the atrocities that occur, they can be explained as just acts by an omniscient deity whose plan is too large for us to judge. Additionally, that belief entails the idea that heathens are already condemned, and the saved will ascend to an eternity of bliss, so cutting a life short, even horribly, can be seen in a more just light when considering an eternity of bliss in addition to being part of the divine plan.

Of course, if you don't believe in that deity, but witness the acts and disasters that appear horrendously unjust and impossible to reconcile with the idea of a "benevolent" god (another conditional term of course), the the argument falls apart and God is unjust.

So from that argument, it seems to me that the answer to the question "is God always 'just'", completely depends on where you are coming from when you ask the question.
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Is God always "just"? - by Thewayshemoves - April 26, 2011 at 9:08 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by HeyItsZeus - April 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - April 26, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Thewayshemoves - April 26, 2011 at 9:29 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by HeyItsZeus - April 26, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Thewayshemoves - April 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 9:44 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Thewayshemoves - April 26, 2011 at 9:46 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 10:01 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Thewayshemoves - April 26, 2011 at 10:19 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 10:51 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 1:30 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Captain Scarlet - April 27, 2011 at 3:01 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - April 28, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Captain Scarlet - May 2, 2011 at 5:15 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - April 28, 2011 at 1:38 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - April 28, 2011 at 1:43 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - April 28, 2011 at 1:48 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Faith No More - April 28, 2011 at 8:25 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Rayaan - April 27, 2011 at 2:15 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2011 at 2:55 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 3:39 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Captain Scarlet - April 27, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Ace Otana - April 28, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by FadingW - April 27, 2011 at 11:20 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - April 28, 2011 at 3:33 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Gawdzilla - April 28, 2011 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - April 28, 2011 at 5:12 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - April 28, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2011 at 6:09 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Captain Scarlet - May 3, 2011 at 1:03 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 2, 2011 at 8:01 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 2, 2011 at 8:19 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 2, 2011 at 2:09 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 3, 2011 at 12:01 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 12:28 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 9:20 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 4, 2011 at 4:27 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Minimalist - May 4, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by ABierman1986 - May 5, 2011 at 2:34 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2011 at 2:43 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - May 5, 2011 at 9:11 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 5, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 3:17 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 5, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 5, 2011 at 3:49 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 5, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 5, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 7:01 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 6, 2011 at 4:32 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - May 6, 2011 at 9:09 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 4, 2011 at 11:10 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 4, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 5, 2011 at 12:12 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 5, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 5, 2011 at 3:11 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 5, 2011 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 5, 2011 at 3:34 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 5, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 5, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 6, 2011 at 12:20 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Watson - May 6, 2011 at 12:22 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 6, 2011 at 3:48 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Godschild - May 6, 2011 at 4:33 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Napoléon - May 6, 2011 at 4:37 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Skipper - May 6, 2011 at 10:14 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2011 at 5:00 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Interzone - May 6, 2011 at 6:29 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Interzone - May 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Interzone - May 6, 2011 at 8:27 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by fr0d0 - May 7, 2011 at 4:41 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 6, 2011 at 9:52 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Ateo - May 6, 2011 at 6:14 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 6, 2011 at 3:53 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 6, 2011 at 4:48 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 6, 2011 at 5:47 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 6, 2011 at 8:59 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - May 7, 2011 at 6:58 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 6, 2011 at 8:22 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Minimalist - May 6, 2011 at 8:26 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by FadingW - May 7, 2011 at 2:54 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 7, 2011 at 3:08 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 7, 2011 at 11:27 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Minimalist - May 7, 2011 at 11:25 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 9, 2011 at 9:33 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 9, 2011 at 10:37 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 9, 2011 at 10:49 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 9, 2011 at 10:58 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 9, 2011 at 11:20 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 9, 2011 at 11:31 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 10, 2011 at 12:52 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 10, 2011 at 1:29 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 10, 2011 at 1:52 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 10, 2011 at 2:25 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Zen Badger - May 10, 2011 at 7:36 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Minimalist - May 9, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 10, 2011 at 7:21 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 11, 2011 at 1:34 am
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Statler Waldorf - May 11, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by Cinjin - May 11, 2011 at 8:01 pm
RE: Is God always "just"? - by reverendjeremiah - May 11, 2011 at 8:07 pm

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