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Reasons
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RE: Reasons
(April 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: All that wordplay aside, you're saying then that you refuse to think about anything which doesn't concern itself with hard physical fact? I don't think Dawkins would be with you there.

I quoted Dawkins. I don't see how I am disagreeing with him when I quote him.

You created a total strawman. I never said that I 'refuse to think about anything which doesn't concern itself with hard physical fact?'. I mean, man - how would I live!
I am saying I do not believe in the existence of things without evidence.

I have desires and goals and urges - and I like music and comedy and some TV and movies. I love the internet computers and games.

I think about the future - things I want to do and get on with my life. Things that aren't physical fact - I never said that I refuse to think about things that aren't about physical fact! I think about whatever the hell I want to think about! My mind just floats - I think about stuff. I wouldn't even be able to function if my mind was that restricted.

I am just saying that I certainly do not wish to believe in the existence of things without any real evidence. And if that means I'm close-minded then I guess I'm close minded. If being pro-evidence and if being - also crucially to me - anti- faith, if being more rational and less irrational about reality - and the existence of things - if that's close-minded - then I guess I'm close minded. But at least I don't believe in stuff that almost certainly doesn't exist - at least I'm almost certainly not being delusional because I don't believe in those things and I'm favouring evidence over faith ( faith being belief without evidence.

Besides if ANYTHING goes and you believe in as many things as you want on FAITH - if ANYTHING goes - how open minded is that exactly?

I don't think it's very imaginative and open minded to simply shrug your shoulders and think "I'll believe whatever I want. I'm completely 100% open minded." - I think actually having some structure and commiting to reality - believing in what actually the evidence shows - I think if anything, that's more open minded.

If 'anything goes' - and just taking anything on faith is MORE open minded - then I guess as people say: you can have too much of anything!

EvF
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Messages In This Thread
Reasons - by WWLD - March 31, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - March 31, 2009 at 11:20 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - March 31, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 1, 2009 at 12:37 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 1, 2009 at 4:25 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 2, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 2, 2009 at 8:51 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 3, 2009 at 5:06 am
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 8:57 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 2, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 2, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 2, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 3, 2009 at 5:40 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 7, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 7, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 7, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 6:20 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Reasons - by Ted1205 - April 3, 2009 at 9:26 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 6, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 2:39 am
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 7, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 7, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 11, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 8, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 12, 2009 at 5:53 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 12, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 3:39 am
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 14, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 17, 2009 at 8:59 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 6:56 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 7:38 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 7:45 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 7:57 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 8:30 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 9:15 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 12, 2009 at 11:19 pm
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 13, 2009 at 7:33 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 12:22 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 14, 2009 at 4:08 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 14, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 15, 2009 at 5:52 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 15, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 16, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Tiberius - April 17, 2009 at 11:48 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 18, 2009 at 4:46 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 3:39 am
RE: Reasons - by SarahIsPi - April 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by bozo - April 19, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Tiberius - April 19, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 19, 2009 at 6:27 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 20, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 19, 2009 at 10:55 pm

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