(July 26, 2016 at 7:05 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 26, 2016 at 6:43 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Whatever a traditional American might be, I find it tends to be a self-serving description. I'm sure the Know-Nothings considered themselves traditional Americans par excellence, though I question their 'good manners' when it came to kindness and hospitality to immigrants (Trump is nothing if not a throwback to these people). Perhaps you meant the good manners traditional Americans displayed when they were enslaving others, wiping out the native tribes, and stealing much of Mexico at bayonet point. Wait! No, you must mean the good manners -- not to mention the rugged individualism -- of the robber barons who made vast fortunes by gaming the political system for their own benefit.
No. I mean the ones who I described in my post.
Quote:And it's your party that attempts to pass legislation at the states levels designed to suppress minority turnout at elections. Are you ok with that? Is that also part of your traditional American display of 'good manners' and respect for democracy and law?
If you're talking about voter ID laws, what you're saying is not true. These laws are to help ensure that only people registered to vote actually do vote and that they only vote once each election. I guess that requiring people to have a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle was designed to suppress minority drivers. Gee, I had to show my ID to use my credit card recently! When I applied for my passport I had to show appropriate documentation. Should we allow low income people to get a passport without proper documentation? The lack of democracy and respect for the law is a trait of the people who perpetrate voter fraud.
Quote:As for elitism, all I can say is that you seem to have a shaky grasp of the Founders' generation and their views on democracy and the salt of the earth common man. These days, when I hear people rail against 'the elites', it seems like little more than class resentment. "Elite" only becomes a dirty word when "ism" is attached to it. The thing is, the true elites -- i.e., people of real achievement and expertise and not merely those with wealth and the most toys or purchased political influence -- aren't the ones who apply the suffix. It's the people who resent them, and those who hope to gain by stoking that resentment, who do.
We have elites in the government who seem to be above the law. They remind me of royalty.
You basically mean people that lived the way they did in the 40's and 50's, all racist and homophobic, while forcing their woman to make a sammich for 'em. Yeah, "traditional 'Murican."
Oh, so registration doesn't suppress things now? GREAT! So we can require you to register your gun. That's not suppressing anything now, by your own admission.
To conservatives, an elitist is merely someone who reads.
