(April 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Yes I've heard other cults say that ... I would like to hear some kind of reasoned justification outside of some kind of innate prejudice.
These things aren't biblical and aren't accepted by the wider church:
Just a few things off the top of my head.
- Interercession of saints
- Mary as God/ Praying to Mary
- Worship of Idols & Idols in Church
- Priests as intermediaries for God
- The pope is a descendant of Peter
- That Peter was ever meant to lead the church
- That the Pope is the head of the church
None of which denies them the label of Christianity.
(April 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(April 6, 2009 at 5:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Who exactly has agreed with you then?Demonaura, Adrian and thoughtful I think.
Where would that be then?
(April 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: That's a good excuse for not being open minded isn't it? Or to limit your open mindedness.
As previously said (and I admit it needs an update following D's video):
Quote: Contrary to popular opinion being open-minded is not about treating garbage as if it were the equal of proper research science nor is it about believing everything one hears nor even about giving every fantasy world someone claims to have experienced the same credibility as reality.
In fact being open-minded is about:
* Establishing exactly what phenomenon is being tested or evaluated.
* Establishing all possible explanations to account for the phenomenon and ...
* Setting up and executing a series of strictly controlled tests or observations designed to systematically and rationally eliminate the wrong possibilities and establish which accounts for the phenomenon in question.
Open-mindedness requires observation, evidence, hypothesis, verification, tentativeness, falsifiability & it requires logic ... in short, true open-mindedness requires science. Furthermore open-mindedness is fairly evidently necessary to investigate the universe & world in which we exist.
I have often been accused of not being open-minded indeed some have accused me of being a fundamentalist atheist because they imply I am "unwilling to expand my borders" when in fact what they mean is that I am not able to suspend my objectivity enough to accept a pile of fetid dingo's kidneys as a valid hypothesis. However those people are wrong ... science is open-minded, science is empirical, I am an adherent of such science and an atheist because of it so I am as open minded as science.
However, that ones mind is open, does not give anyone the right to pour their crap into it! Nor does it justifiably give others the right to say that one is not open-minded because they are not prepared to tolerate fantasy views touted as fact or because their views are based on logic & reason ... I would argue that such individuals, like science, are open-minded in the most objective sense!
Kyu
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