Is God always "just"?

[Cinjin]

Oh man, and to think I was actually trying to be courteous in my refutation of your points. I thought you were one of the more fair minded atheists on here, but maybe I am getting you mixed up with someone else.

I’m not an atheist, I’m a Deist. Secondly your contrite reaction is unwarranted. You act as if I insulted your mother or something. Come-on, I insulted your argument - not you, so calm down.

Throwing out a bunch of synonyms does nothing to define a word.

Yeah, that’s a weak argument at best. A definition in a dictionary nearly always makes use of synonyms in said definition. Seriously, debating thesaurus vs. dictionary is just a stupid waste of time.

Secondly, you are holding the all powerful creator of the universe to standards that Noah Webster developed? That's nothing short of absurd, trying to hold an infallible being to the standards adopted by a fallible man (Webster) is illogical.

Defining my use of “just” in my OP was all I was doing. Christians call their god “just” and you asked me to define what I consider “just” as it applied to my post. You than implied that god’s version of “just” and humans version of “just” are not the same – thus the question I posed to you. Which of course you ignored. I was making the point that I am using the exact same principles of being “just” that a Christian uses when he tells me that his god is just. I answered your question as fairly as I could.

Rather, men should define what is and is not fair by God's nature and His law. This is the only appeal to authority that is not fallacious.

Sadly, men do define what is just and fair by your god’s version of justice and that is the biggest reason why the world is so full of hatred. It also explains the Spanish inquisition, the “holy” crusades, the myriad of religious massacres that have taken place in gods holy name, and don’t forget those wonderful times … the Dark Ages.

As to my second point, you just said my conclusion was illogical, but you did nothing to demonstrate how or why this is true. So you conveniently gave me nothing to work with, so I guess I will just stand by my point since you did nothing to refute it.

It is you who gave me nothing to work with. I even wrote how much I hated giving rebuttals like that. However, I clearly demonstrated why ---- You took my argument and simply reversed it around to an illogical conclusion and now you are acting with incredulity when it is you who cannot justify your argument. Sorry, the burden lies on you since you simply stole my argument and reversed it around to fit an illogical definition of justice. I stand where I was before. You’re wrong because your conclusion is illogical.

I guess according to you a person who punches the President of the US should get the same punishment as someone who punches a drunk on the street? Since you claim authority plays no role in the equation.

LMAO … and you made fun of my analogy. Come on Stat, if you’re going to hit me with nonsense like that, I’m just not even going to bother.

As to your ant analogy, it is just a straw man argument. If I had infinite authority over the ants, and they had rebelled against me, and I had still given them better than they deserved, you nor anyone else could say I was unjust. It would be better to point out how the ants had no room to whine because I had given them better than they actually deserved. You are like the guy who whines about having to pay up 3 dollars to someone whom he really owed a thousand. Pretty irrational.

This last point of yours is the real crux of the debate isn’t it.
You feel that we owe your god something for being born – thus the 3 for $1000 analogy, and I feel that we owe nothing for being born and living a life that we were meant to live.
You have proven that you feel that your god can pick and choose what it means to be just and fair because he is god. That’s fine. You certainly are allowed to believe that. It’s completely ridiculous, but you are allowed to be wrong. You demonstrated your utter lack of understanding for the word “just” when you said, quote, “If I had infinite authority over the ants, and they had rebelled against me, and I had still given them better than they deserved, you nor anyone else could say I was unjust”

Yes, I can say it would be unjust. Punishing your own creation for doing something you gave it the power to do is not just … and believing that an infinite punishment is fair and just for a finite mortal being is aquaint to lunacy.