RE: A challenge to Statler Waldorf
May 6, 2011 at 11:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2011 at 11:42 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(May 6, 2011 at 7:26 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Not so much, I applied the dimensions the same exact way they are applied to other religions such as Islam, Christianity, Jainism, and Taoism.
All that tells me is that the seven dimensions fail as a measure for determining religion or not religion.
I easily applied the seven dimensions to prove that a fifty second popular internet video was a religion in my initial response post.
Even so, ease in which these dimensions can apply to a given anything is not a litmus test for whether or not something is a religion.
(May 6, 2011 at 7:26 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: If atheism is not a religion then why should it be granted religious freedoms?Same reason religions are protected -
To pretect people from other people who try to impose their beliefs upon them.
For example, legally speaking, the fact that I am an atheist by law must not be a factor in my ability to purchase a house or rent an apartment. That is a 'religion' clause in numerous similar laws but the fact that atheism is protected doesn't make it an actual religion.
It's even written in the US constitution as such.
(May 6, 2011 at 7:26 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I do not get granted religious freedoms for watching football. Why is this? Probably because footballism is not a religion. I think you guys are just trying to have your cake and eat it too, be honest and admit you are a religion or stop trying to play the legal system.
Your issues with atheism in the legal system is irrelevant.
Atheism either is or isn't a religion. The dictionary doesn't define it as such. The legal system protects it like how it protects religions but that doesn't mean it is recognized as such.
That means we are, in effect, having our cake and eating it to - because we dont' feel like persecuted for not following a religion.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan