(April 7, 2009 at 6:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 7, 2009 at 9:35 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I am saying I do not believe in the existence of things without evidence.I'm saying that too. I'm also saying that God as a thing never presents the opportunity to prove him/ her. Our only option is to consider God's existence philosophically. If you insist on using provable evidence you have an easy job.. no thinking to do. If you use philosophy, there's lots of thinking to do.
If there's no evidence of God's existence what kind of reasonable thinking is there in favour of his existence, exactly?
What sort of philosophical argument or decision can you make for his existence that is rational and reasonable if there is absolutely no evidence?
Are you suggesting some kind of wager? Whether it is Pascal's Wager or whatever?
Well I don't really know of any other 'God wager' as far as I know Pascal's wager and other variations of it is the only 'God wager' available. Do you know of any others? If you are not talking about evidence and not talking about risk/reward (whether for you and/or "God") what exactly are you talking of?
And I think Pascal's wager, for example; absolutely fails because there is no evidence, no rational reason - to believe that any good would come from believing in God IF there is one. God could just as easily punish believers and reward non-believers. There is no evidence or rational reason to think that 'faith' is a virtue according to 'God'. Hypothetically speaking, if God exists then the bible certainly isn't evidence of God preferring belief over non-belief. If there is a God - we still have no idea what he is thinking.
Other than evidence I cannot think of anything rational or reasonable that would be a reason to believe in God. Unless there's evidence I can't think of one.
What other rational reason(s) other than evidence (if there was any) are you thinking of, for belief in God?
If it's a philosophical wager of some kind (other than Pascal's) - what could that possibly be? If there is no evidence of God then IF there is one we still have no idea what he is thinking anyway. There is no reason to think he would approve of belief, or that he is Good rather than Evil or neutral or whatever, etc.
Other than evidence what rational reasons would there be for believing in God? There's no evidence so why believe? What good reasons are there according to you fr0d0?
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