I Love You Enough to Burn You

[theVOID]

You're not addressing my belief Ace. I don't "imagine" anything. And belief is a rational process nothing to do with fantasy. Once more you're crossing the border happily between the physical and the metaphysical. How are you justifying that??

Something being a belief does not imply it was either arrived at rationally or irrationally.

A belief is not a process either, it is a proposition for which we act as if it is true when relevant.

The bible states that God ordered the universe. It states nothing about material creation, although Christians believe that God is the originator.
Material origins as investigated by science help us to understand the physical creation.

The bible states that God compiled the universe from existent materials? If that is the case we can right out of the gate give your brand of theism a low prior probability, you need both god and matter/energy to exist acausally, we only need the latter.

And your reasoning is to use an extraordinary claim which you refuse to back up. By your own standards you need to either change your reason or explain it. I have made no such claim to defend.

*Sigh*

If he were to be pedantic and claim "I know of no sufficient evidence" would you stop playing word games?

We both agree nature exists (I should hope), you are the one proposing supernature, as such you have the burden of proof.

Why? Just saying "you're wrong" without justification helps no one, and leads me to conclude that you have no valid objection.

Gota say he got you there Ace

If the source you are using has no proof that anything it says correct, then you are making unjustifiable, and unreasoned claims.

Uhhhhh, the book says some true stuff, that's pretty easy to confirm... Maybe get a bit more specific in your objections, otherwise you make it too easy for him to rightly dismiss you.

What hasn't been proven? The source is internally coherent and presents a solid logical platform. If you contend that then please lets have your reasoning to address.

Now come on fr0d0, you don't believe that the bible is entirely coherent or consistent.

And what is this 'logical platform' you have derived from it?