I Love You Enough to Burn You

[fr0d0]

Once more you're crossing the border happily between the physical and the metaphysical. How are you justifying that?

I'm a materialist. I don't believe in the metaphysical. I must first be convinced of it. Which I'm not. To me, there is only the material. From the atom, to the biological cell. All material, all connected.

It's not your materialist viewpoint that I have a problem with Ace, it's the fallacious reasoning to dismiss the metaphysical using the lack of physical evidence.

The bible states that God ordered the universe.

Another unsupported belief I take it.

No. A fully supported belief. Oh wait... you were talking about material evidence of the immaterial again right?

Material origins as investigated by science help us to understand the physical creation.

So god had nothing to do with the actual creation of the universe? He just shaped it?
Why call him 'creator'?

Because he created it. The bible doesn't explain how though.

And your reasoning is to use an extraordinary claim which you refuse to back up. By your own standards you need to either change your reason or explain it. I have made no such claim to defend.

Last time, I've made no claim. Unless you can point it out....

See above. You say it so much I'm wondering if you have it tattooed on your forehead!

Why? Just saying "you're wrong" without justification helps no one, and leads me to conclude that you have no valid objection

No. Yes I think you're completely wrong about everything, but that's not it. I think, Watson is dead wrong about everything he believes, but at least I can understand him and what he's saying. Most of the time, I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. Also, you're a Brit! I'm supposed to understand you more than anyone else.

We've had some productive convo's in the past as I recall. It's ok to say you don't know. Most of us object when someone says we're wrong but can't say why.

You must excuse me for a few minutes, I'm having a little spat with a few websites. They like to say it's free to join but always fail to mention the payments needed after you fucking join. So I'm gonna give'em a piece of my mind.

Go get em Ace! I'll play the fiddle