(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:It's not your materialist viewpoint that I have a problem with Ace, it's the fallacious reasoning to dismiss the metaphysical using the lack of physical evidence.Quote:Once more you're crossing the border happily between the physical and the metaphysical. How are you justifying that?I'm a materialist. I don't believe in the metaphysical. I must first be convinced of it. Which I'm not. To me, there is only the material. From the atom, to the biological cell. All material, all connected.
(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:No. A fully supported belief. Oh wait... you were talking about material evidence of the immaterial again right?Quote:The bible states that God ordered the universe.Another unsupported belief I take it.

(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:Because he created it. The bible doesn't explain how though.Quote:Material origins as investigated by science help us to understand the physical creation.So god had nothing to do with the actual creation of the universe? He just shaped it?
Why call him 'creator'?
(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:See above. You say it so much I'm wondering if you have it tattooed on your forehead!Quote:And your reasoning is to use an extraordinary claim which you refuse to back up. By your own standards you need to either change your reason or explain it. I have made no such claim to defend.Last time, I've made no claim. Unless you can point it out....

(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote:We've had some productive convo's in the past as I recall. It's ok to say you don't know. Most of us object when someone says we're wrong but can't say why.Quote:Why? Just saying "you're wrong" without justification helps no one, and leads me to conclude that you have no valid objectionNo. Yes I think you're completely wrong about everything, but that's not it. I think, Watson is dead wrong about everything he believes, but at least I can understand him and what he's saying. Most of the time, I haven't a clue on what you're talking about. Also, you're a Brit! I'm supposed to understand you more than anyone else.
(May 8, 2011 at 11:31 am)Ace Otana Wrote: You must excuse me for a few minutes, I'm having a little spat with a few websites. They like to say it's free to join but always fail to mention the payments needed after you fucking join. So I'm gonna give'em a piece of my mind.Go get em Ace! I'll play the fiddle
