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(May 9, 2011 at 11:31 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I already answered you questions about finite vs infinite punishment scenario. Read again.
dammnit, I just deleted my whole damn response in the EDIT. SHIT, maybe a mod can get it back.
(May 9, 2011 at 11:20 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where did you define it? All I saw was your thesaurus thing, which of course didn't define it. So maybe we should try this instead.
In post #67 I gave my initial opinion on god's judgement.
In post #79 I told you that I use a standard definition for "just"
You on the other hand, want your god to have some kind of special definition for "just". I stated before, as I am AGAIN, that I define terms the same way everybody else does. Am I holding your god to the world's definition of "just"? You're goddamn right I am! You don't have the privilege of redefining words to suit your agenda. Your brothers in Christ say “our god is just” … I can only use the definition of justice that exists to interpret what that means. And that definition is found in any dictionary/thesaurus you can put your hands on.
What’s really stupid is that this whole dictionary vs. thesaurus thing would be a pointless stupid debate to anyone else. You HAD to make issue with it because you NEED to be able to redefine justice so that you can give your hateful god a leg to stand on.
This is what I meant when I wrote, "just like your god, you play by your own special rules."
Well forgive me for wanting you to use a dictionary to define words haha. I thought that was a pretty reasonable request I.
Let's look at how the dictionary defines just...
1. Guided by truth, reason, justice, and fairness: We hope to be just in our understanding of such difficult situations.
2. done or made according to principle; equitable; proper: a just reply.
3. based on right; rightful; lawful: a just claim.
So really all you did was state your opinion that an infinite punishment is unjust for a finite crime (This is stated nowhere in the definition of justice). I have already demonstrated how this is illogical, but I will just state my opinion back if that is what you want (an opinion for an opinion seems fair enough). An infinite punishment for a crime committed against an infinite being IS just. That was easy enough. I will even set it up in a syllogism.
1. The just wage for sin is death.
2. All have sinned.
3. All receive death.
4. Therefore all get what they deserve.
1. Justice is defined as getting what you deserve.
2. All get what they deserve.
3. Therefore all receive justice.