Is God always "just"?

[Cinjin]

---

So really all you did was state your opinion that an infinite punishment is unjust for a finite crime (This is stated nowhere in the definition of justice). ….of course it’s not! What's wrong with you? Our argument is not going to be listed in a dictionary/thesaurus. However, like ANY term in a dictionary, we can conclude whether or not it is accurate to our query.
The very definition of justice does indeed prove my side, at the very least, BETTER than it does yours. See below for why.

---

Not sure why you responded like this, makes it very confusing. I smell personal opinion coming later in your post.

---

1. The just wage for sin is death. FLAWED – that is an opinion. I do not sin if I do not recognize a fictional being who defines sin.

---

Illogical argument. That's like saying you cannot commit murder in the US if you do not recognize the US as a country. Just see how far you get in the courts with that argument. If God does exist, and if the wage for sin really is death, then He is acting completely just, regardless what you think.

Read what I wrote! I said FICTIONAL being. The US is not fictional; therefore I accept their definition of right and wrong and thus their laws. This makes your entire argument from here on out completely FLAWED. My argument was sound and logical, once again it is you who can’t seem to read. Also, it is YOUR opinion not mine that keeps coming into play here.

---

2. All have sinned. – FLAWED – that too is opinion. What you call sin, I call natural evolutionary actions.

---

Again, see how far this gets you in court. "Your honor I was just acting out my natural evolutionary actions when I raped that little girl." It will get you about as far with a judge as it will with God.

We’re not in court and this rebuttal doesn’t hold up for shit. The natural actions that I’m referring to which is the sin that you are referring to is what we are debating god sends us to hell for… the sin of disbelief. The sin of disbelief in an entity that can’t be proven to exist would never be judged in a court of law and THAT is the only sin that god sends us to hell for. I’m not debating you on whether or not rape and murder are wrong because I don’t believe their wrong. That’s just a stupid invalid point. Stop twisting the argument and playing by your own special rules again.

---

3. All receive death. – Well, yes, everyone does indeed die. That is not punishment, that too is natural.

---

Nope, it's a punishment for sin. Talk about opinion … here you go again.

---

4. Therefore all get what they deserve. – FLAWED – I do not deserve hell. Only death is naturally “deserved”

---

Again, begging the question. We are trying to discuss whether you and I do deserve hell or not. Merely stating you do not is assuming the proof.

That is NOT what we’re debating. We are debating whether finite sins deserve infinite punishment. There’s a BIG difference.

---

1. Justice is defined as getting what you deserve. – FLAWED – Biased, that is only a partial definition of justice.

---

Since you never bothered to define it with an actual dictionary, we will just go with my definition until you can prove otherwise. Justice is getting what you deserve.

I don’t need to PROVE a definition. Scroll up. Impartial and FAIR are a part of that definition.

---

2. All get what they deserve. – FLAWED – even in your Bible many persons did NOT get what they deserved. King David for example.

---

Well since this is a discussion about justice, I kind of assumed that getting far better than you deserve would be ok in your book. Grace is not injustice; it's a form of non-justice, which is completely consistent with God's perfection because of Christ's atonement.

FLAWED again … TRUE justice does not have the option to choose when to be just and who to be just to. (However, this is getting way off topic and this is already convoluted as hell, shall we leave this one be for now?)

---

3. Therefore all receive justice. FLAWED – Finite “sins” do not deserve infinite punishment. Illogical conclusion. Justice must be fair and impartial. Finite punishment for finite crimes. Infinite for infinite … and since only Lucifer himself is capable of infinite crimes, that puts your god in a very unjust light.

---

Where do you get this B.S.? This is all just your personal opinion. Any crime against an infinite perfect being logically deserves an infinite punishment.

“Hey Kettle, you black bastard!” Sincerely, Pot
Where do you get YOUR B.S.? You easily double my ratio of opinions in your arguments. That very last sentence is your own opinion and it is STILL illogical because it has no balance and it is not remotely fair for an infinite being to bring an infinite punishment to a finite human being.

---

WOW, you’ve got A LOT of nerve saying that I’ve been the one whining about definitions.
You’re the one who wouldn’t let it the fuck go from the first moment I posted!
That’s just an outright lie and I challenge anyone to go through the posts and see what I’m talking about.

---

I was actually referring to you whining about God not being fair.

---

Look, neither of us is going to let the other one win this debate.
Can you give me a rough guess on how much longer you want to keep this back-&-forth going?
It seems rather pointless now. ....