If free will was not real

[The Grand Nudger]

The relevance is that reality cannot always be reduced down to an unambiguous expression of our very limited rational explanations for things.  Mind is perhaps the most mysterious thing of all, and making black-and-white assertions about its nature based on a philosophical position that has no explanation for mind is probably not a very good practice.

Unfortunately, that's the business of logical discussion regardless of whether or not it;s the actual status of reality.  We could wonder about that until the cows come home....but I'm content to work with what we've got.  It's not as though I have a choice.  

If most people experienced pink elephants, then I'd be inclined to think they are real.  It seems to me that EVEN AMONG those of you arguing against free will, you act as though you consider it real.  And among 99% of humanity, I'm sure it doesn't even occur to them that there's no such thing as free will.

Because no ones arguing against our -experience- of will........................simply the accuracy of the description.  Most people, most people?  You;d be inclined to believe on the basis of an appeal to an ad pop?  I wouldn't.  Most people see the lady being sawed in half too......

And no description of a physically monist position will ever explain what things are like to experience, or explain why we experience what things are like.

-again, it doesn't matter.  The failures, real or percieved...of anothers position are -irrelevent- as regards an assessment of your own.  If you say you have free will, but cannot show it or coherently explain or describe it..it doesn't -matter- that I think you don't have it, and it doesn't matter whether or not I'm a physical monist, or that the physical monist position is unsatisfying to you.  The problem isn't what I think (or what you think)..it's what you can't do.  

Free will, quite simply, is a label for the capacity to freely choose.

Free will is free will...thanks for clearing that up.  I guess I'll just pull down the tent and go home, my work here is done.  No...no, wait, I won't.  -Can- you freely choose?  

And you can philosophize all you want, but I'm still enjoying my Snickers bar, smug in the self-knowledge that I chose it freely.  My experience of freedom trumps your insistence that it is incompatible with your world view.

You're building an altar to irrationality. I know you have an experience. I have one too. I bet they;re awfully familiar. Is your description of that experience -accurate- in regard to it's referent?  There's nothing incompatible with free will -in my worldview-......jesus christ, I allow for the possibility. I'd just like to see someone who has some of the shit show me the shit or explain the shit....and stop babbling about -other peoples shit-.