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(May 16, 2011 at 2:05 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I really don't know. Re-incarnation is a fun idea because of the now common adage - "you have an old soul", but I don't have a working theory/belief on what that next stage might be. Honestly, after studying religion for 20 years -- I just don't care.
My life I control. My death is inevitable, but my soul is not my concern. I cannot control it anymore than I control the rotation of the earth. I leave it to God ... and if I'm wrong, so be it. I have more peace with this sentiment than I have ever come close to knowing prior.
Cool I can dig that. I must admit to much the same attitude. I think we're aware of spiritual reality (funny oxymoron ). Perhaps that's our spirit/ soul. I think Xtian Orthadoxy would agree with you about part of us being outside our control.
(May 16, 2011 at 3:38 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Ah, in that case I understand you a little better, but I'm also more confused. Spirit and soul, what's the difference?
Since I don't believe in anything metaphysical either, I'm suggesting that if the soul was a real thing, then it could be proven. Perhaps not by any branch of science we know today, but who knows what we might discover in the future.
Soul in some definitions is fully human. There's lots of mention (in the bible) of feeding the soul. And even losing the soul to follow Christ (I saw yesterday - must cross check that one(maybe someone else could expand)). Where the spirit is part of God (God being father son and spirit) and our likeness to him. Our spirit can be empty (denial of God) or open to it. As I understand.
The Christian premise is that God is provable via logic. Necessarily pertaining to the personal.
Thanks for clearing that up, it's hard to debate if I don't have my vocabulary straight But frankly, I think both spirit and soul in that case is a load of bollocks, but that is really just my opinion. If I had proof of anything concerning this matter, I wouldn't be in the philosophy forum wondering about it. But unfortunately, as you might guess, the Bible doesn't count as evidence in my books. I'm very source critical
God and logic would also make for a very nice debate, but I'll try to keep to the original topic, so maybe another time(?)
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura