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Reasons
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RE: Reasons
(April 11, 2009 at 3:09 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Cherry picking would be a problem if you ascribed to a particular belief and then stepped outside the acceptable parameters of that belief. I don't do that.

Then what do you do exactly? You ascribe to Christianity but there is no more evidence of the existence of the Christian God than any other - that I would call cherry-picking.

Quote:You speak about personal opinion and experience, and later on feelings. I wasn't talking about any of those.

Considering you say you have no evidence - then I can't think what else you could possibly reason with - if it's nothing rational - for the existence of things you need evidence. You even claim that you are not talking about the existence of God in the same way that I exist, ore you exist, or that the sun exists - you say that there is no more reason to believe that your "God" exists objectively than Santa does!

Or if you are saying their are reasons but not evidence - then how the hell does that make sense? If your reasons count towards the existence of God then that's considered to be evidence! They don't point to that so they're not evidence -but if you claim that God is any more likely than Santa in ANY way then you are claiming evidence!

Reasons for the existence of something - if valid - are evidence! In some shape or form if not scientific.

Quote:Personal opinions and experience not being evidence: You asked about reasoning other than evidence, so I don't know why you're bringing that up again.

Feelings: Feelings may be 'nice' but I consider them to be of no importance.

You have said that you are not in favour of personal reasons for belief in God since that would only apply to one sense and you are talking about God actually existing.

But you have also said that there is no more evidence that God exists (and therefore no more rational reasons to believe that God exists than there is for Santa or Zeus or the FSM - in the OBJECTIVE sense.

So you are against personal subjective arguments for God (since they would only apply to oneself, e.g yourself and not other Christians) but you admit that God has no more evidence or rational reasons for his existence than Zeus Santa or the FSM?

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Messages In This Thread
Reasons - by WWLD - March 31, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - March 31, 2009 at 11:20 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - March 31, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 1, 2009 at 12:37 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 1, 2009 at 4:25 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 2, 2009 at 4:16 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 2, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 8:27 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 2, 2009 at 8:51 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 3, 2009 at 5:06 am
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 8:57 pm
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 2, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 2, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 2, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 2, 2009 at 11:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 3, 2009 at 5:40 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2009 at 5:16 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 3, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 7, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 7, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 6:15 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 7, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 8, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 6:20 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 9:05 am
RE: Reasons - by Ted1205 - April 3, 2009 at 9:26 pm
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 3, 2009 at 10:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 6, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 6, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 6, 2009 at 7:34 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 2:39 am
RE: Reasons - by Eilonnwy - April 7, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 7, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Reasons - by Demonaura - April 7, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 7, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 11, 2009 at 11:09 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 8, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 12, 2009 at 5:53 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 12, 2009 at 12:44 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 3:39 am
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 14, 2009 at 8:35 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 17, 2009 at 8:59 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 6:56 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 7:03 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 7:38 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 7:45 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 7:57 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2009 at 8:30 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 12, 2009 at 9:15 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 12, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: Reasons - by WWLD - April 12, 2009 at 11:19 pm
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 13, 2009 at 7:33 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 12:22 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 14, 2009 at 4:08 am
RE: Reasons - by Giff - April 14, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 14, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 15, 2009 at 5:52 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 15, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 15, 2009 at 3:36 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 16, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 17, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Tiberius - April 17, 2009 at 11:48 pm
RE: Reasons - by Kyuuketsuki - April 18, 2009 at 4:46 am
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 3:39 am
RE: Reasons - by SarahIsPi - April 19, 2009 at 2:37 pm
RE: Reasons - by bozo - April 19, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Reasons - by Tiberius - April 19, 2009 at 6:11 pm
RE: Reasons - by leo-rcc - April 19, 2009 at 6:27 pm
RE: Reasons - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2009 at 7:50 pm
RE: Reasons - by Edwardo Piet - April 20, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: Reasons - by athoughtfulman - April 19, 2009 at 10:55 pm

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