Nihilism

[Violet]

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We're just giving you a hard time... you posted a thread about nihilism for Susan's sake

I am myself a nihilistic existential determinist. The first 2 are subjectivistic positions (Nothing holds inherent meaning, therefore all meaning for all things is necessarily subjective), the last first presumes logic to be true (things must be themselves, not not be themselves, be themselves or not themselves) and then states all things that occur had a cause for them to do so.

Not only is this a 'valid' viewpoint (it is logical to be logical, so says logic), but I think it is a sound viewpoint (as I should, considering I hold it).

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So i've started classing myself as an existential nihilist quite recently, some people may argue it's a bit too soon to do so but really when I first started investigating what it was I found myself agreeing with the core philosophy of it. So you know, what the hell.

What do you consider to be the core philosophy of nihilism?

Personally I am under no illusion that there has to be purpose to existance, nothing I have seen really seems to show that the world was 'created' in a specific purposeful way. I've seen other forums discuss the ideas of existential nihilism and say that it is naive and sad. But so what if it is? Frankly the only eyes I can view the universe from are my own, and what i've seen happening across the world doesn't seem like what some divine creator has made...
It is a shame, it is very depressing even. But it doesn't stop us from creating purpose for ourselves, for instance although I firmly believe that we are here without any overall purpose, it doesn't stop me from living with some purpose in my particular life.
Do what makes you happy?

It's naive and sad to be a subjectivist? That's funny... here I thought it was those objectivists that were naive, and sadness is not inherently related to one's worldview.

And yes, all purpose is derived by each of us. If someone claims to give you a purpose, this is a lie: you took the suggestion of purpose they provided and made it your own. Logically, you cannot have purpose without it being yours (ownership being that which you possess).

The one thing that nihilism seems to imply wrongly for me is that the world we live in is sad and cruel, for me it doesn't have to be, not if we don't make it. But again this is entirely relative to us as individuals and what in particular makes us happy.

Nihilism implies precisely nothing, as it states all of itself in its name... it states that there is no such being as an 'inherent purpose'. For there to be no inherent purpose, nihilism requires subjectivism. That is the extent of what nihilism states, and it suggests nothing beyond that. The world is happy and horrible and bloody and filled with clean freaks and with beautiful landscapes that are designed as putridly as as maggots on a corpse in your breakfast cereal. These are all statements attributed to the world... not to nihilism. If 'purpose' was the only thing keeping one away from seeing sadness and perversion and from recognizing one's own limitations... I should think them far wiser and safer with that purpose removed.

I can see this may span into a whole bunch of areas, i'm not great at starting off topics but I just want to discuss it with any of you guys, as it seems quite an interesting philosophy to me.

So discuss away if you will

I'm worse at starting topics. If I don't say something sexual in the first few sentences, the thread doesn't even get to a second page. Maybe you'll have more luck

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