(May 17, 2011 at 5:39 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: I am myself a nihilistic existential determinist. The first 2 are subjectivistic positions (Nothing holds inherent meaning, therefore all meaning for all things is necessarily subjective), the last first presumes logic to be true (things must be themselves, not not be themselves, be themselves or not themselves) and then states all things that occur had a cause for them to do so.Interesting to know Aerzia!
Not only is this a 'valid' viewpoint (it is logical to be logical, so says logic), but I think it is a sound viewpoint (as I should, considering I hold it).
Quote:What do you consider to be the core philosophy of nihilism?I realise it was a pretty dumb statement, twas made in haste. Nevertheless I just mean I agree with what it is on a basic level. Life is pointless, the universe seems pointless etc.
Quote:It's naive and sad to be a subjectivist? That's funny... here I thought it was those objectivists that were naive, and sadness is not inherently related to one's worldview.Like I said that's just what i'd seen from a few forums i'd visited discussing it. No doubt they were theists who held that viewpoint.
And yes, all purpose is derived by each of us. If someone claims to give you a purpose, this is a lie: you took the suggestion of purpose they provided and made it your own. Logically, you cannot have purpose without it being yours (ownership being that which you possess).
I agree, we can only make our own purpose, but that for me does not mean that life itself has a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
Quote:Nihilism implies precisely nothing, as it states all of itself in its name... it states that there is no such being as an 'inherent purpose'. For there to be no inherent purpose, nihilism requires subjectivism. That is the extent of what nihilism states, and it suggests nothing beyond that. The world is happy and horrible and bloody and filled with clean freaks and with beautiful landscapes that are designed as putridly as as maggots on a corpse in your breakfast cereal. These are all statements attributed to the world... not to nihilism. If 'purpose' was the only thing keeping one away from seeing sadness and perversion and from recognizing one's own limitations... I should think them far wiser and safer with that purpose removed.This is true. Again from what I was reading elsewhere on the internet people seem to have labelled it incorrectly, calling it negative etc. But as you rightly said nihilism itself implies nothing
Quote:I'm worse at starting topics. If I don't say something sexual in the first few sentences, the thread doesn't even get to a second page. Maybe you'll have more luck
Lol well that doesn't surprise me!
Btw sorry for the short responses, i'm in a rush gotta get back to college in a few minutes.
I'll be back to respond to reverendjeremiah in a couple hours