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Is the Hadith a Forgery?
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RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery?
(September 11, 2016 at 6:16 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: The Ummah needs more wise people like you to lead it Atlas. It must be saved from itself. Reform is inevitable.

They lost their souls when they allowed people like the Sauds to lead; and accepted the Wahhabi school to control their lives.
The Ummah allowed ignorance to lead, and just accepted the state of blindness that they caused themselves to dwell into.

Brian37

The differences between Islam and other beliefs or even lack of belief, should never give Muslims the excuse to be what they are now.

Sunni/Shia versions of Islam call for blood, vengeance, and ship insanity right to the doorstep of each believer; they threaten difference with the sword and control people with collars like cattle.

I can track every violent idea islamists do and believe in, to a non-Islamic source; mainly to Middle Eastern customs. One famous example is the Niqab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niq%C4%81b..._face_veil 

Quote:The Hadiths are really no different than calling it a supplement "side book" like the Torah and Talmud are to Jews and "The book of Mormon" are to Mormons.

Main holy books and their supplements are still based on the naked assertion that the claimed god of each has rules and a plan, but they all are under the idea that a fictional super hero exists. It is basically humans guessing at what they think a god wants, be it in the main book or the supplement. 

You shouldn't trust the Hadiths or Quran or Bible or Torah or Talmud or Bible or Buddha or the Vedas. You should value our modern knowledge over antiquity written by humans who didn't know any better.

In Wahhabi schools, that is the first rule they teach.

"Al Ketab (Quran) Wal Sunnah"
or in English "the book (Quran) and the Sunnah".

Though, here's where I differ in my faith. I think the Sunnah was written under the pressure of politics, gold and threats.
Having access to these sources in the native language, I found so many contradictions, prophecies that never happened, and hilarious pieces of text.
Above all, they were written 200 years after Mohammed's death; after storms of warfare and military coups took the Ummah.

The Quran on the other hand, was always a single piece. We don't have different Qurans, it's always the same, and collected versions proved this.
Then, reading through it is not a hilarious experience. Actually, it's terrifying and cheering, depending on how a person cuts through the day.

SciencAF

Knock-knock!
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Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by RobertE - September 9, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 9, 2016 at 3:02 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by LastPoet - September 9, 2016 at 3:06 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by LastPoet - September 9, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 9, 2016 at 7:41 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by downbeatplumb - September 17, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 3:26 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:33 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 3:35 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:36 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by robvalue - September 10, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by RobertE - September 9, 2016 at 4:30 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 5:28 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by RobertE - September 9, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by paulpablo - September 10, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 9, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ReptilianPeon - September 9, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by RobertE - September 9, 2016 at 5:16 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 9, 2016 at 6:24 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 9, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 7:36 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Alex K - September 10, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 9, 2016 at 7:42 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 9, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 9, 2016 at 7:47 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 9, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Angrboda - September 9, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 8:01 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Angrboda - September 9, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 8:10 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 9, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 9, 2016 at 8:12 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 11, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Minimalist - September 10, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by robvalue - September 10, 2016 at 2:11 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by robvalue - September 10, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by LastPoet - September 10, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ReptilianPeon - September 10, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by WinterHold - September 11, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Brian37 - September 11, 2016 at 7:31 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ScienceAf - September 11, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ReptilianPeon - September 11, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by WinterHold - September 16, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by Brian37 - September 11, 2016 at 7:19 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2016 at 4:51 pm
RE: Is the Hadith a Forgery? - by ReptilianPeon - September 17, 2016 at 7:25 am

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