(September 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 16, 2016 at 11:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Garbage yog.
If you............don't 'assume' that these experiences don't reflect reality.........then why you go to such an extent as to stubbornly search so many studies about NDEs that criticize them?
You do that because you refuse to acknowledge the authenticity of NDEs experiences because these would destroy your idea that there is no God.
If you're done psychoanalyzing me, you're full of it as usual. I don't go to any great extent researching alternate explanations to NDEs. What I do is note that you haven't substantiated your belief that they represent experience of a reality. You can't seem to get it through your head that it's not my job to disprove NDEs, it's your job to prove them. So far all you've done is assert that they have real content. Assertions alone don't mean squat. So of course you look to criticize me for your failure. Tough shit. You can't produce anything but a handful of veridical NDEs to support that the experiences are real. When asked to produce evidence for your assertions, you produce a bunch of untrue generalizations about NDEs, and cherry pick which experiences you believe. You're motivated by something other than the truth. Otherwise why would you be distorting the evidence provided by people who study NDEs professionally. If the evidence is there, why do you need to distort it?
Evidence, evidence and more evidence.
When people during their NDE see doctors and nurses from above working on their dead bodies and later on when their body is revived describe what the doctors and nurses did with all particulars that is super evidence.
You don't like this evidence?
Too bad.
That is your problem not mine.

(September 16, 2016 at 11:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: More garbage yog.
How could they not be based on reality when the evidence was there?
Here I refer to the description given by the person who had the NDE in which he-she saw what was happening while his-her dead body was lying in the casualty-emergency room with doctors and nurses trying to bring it back to life.
How could a dead body-brain witness what doctors-nurse were doing?
Quote:More garbage indeed, only it's you that's spewing the garbage. You weren't asked for evidence that people can witness themselves being operated on from out of body. You were asked to give evidence that karma and reincarnation are real. A few unexplained OOBEs and your distortion and cherry picking of the accounts does not constitute evidence that karma and reincarnation are real anymore than they demonstrate a literal heaven and hell, which you don't believe in. At no time during this whole discussion did you bring up veridical NDEs which are the best evidence that there is awareness during these near death experiences. But they are only evidence of awareness during an NDE, not that all details of an NDE reflect reality. In particular, they offer no evidence that karma and reincarnation are real.
Yes, the evidence is there.
Once the evidence for the NDEs is there and it is there as explained above then all other pieces of the puzzle are there.
Most of these people who had the NDE experience are asked to go back into their bodies for the simple reason that they haven't learned the lesson yet.
That means that the karma law demand that these people must yet to deal with actions and reactions.
And again it is obvious that if the karma exist also the reincarnation exist.
If you only would use your brain you would have already understood how the system works but instead you refuse to let it go because that would destroy your atheism that you try to cling on at all cost.
(September 16, 2016 at 11:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Fool.![]()
You don't even know what happen under the influence of drugs and yet you keep on speculating with no end in sight.
You keep on throwing judgment after judgment and then you say that you don't have to have the burden of proof.
You got to be nut yog.
Drugs act on the higher glands especially on the pineal gland which is the border between the physical reality and the spiritual reality.
By entering by force in the spiritual reality is possible to enjoy a form of distorted spirituality in which you can feel quite good but that lead to addiction and damage body-brain.
Quote:This is another of your red herrings. Instead of demonstrating the reality of these 'spiritual' experiences, you babble on with bare assertions about how drugs work. You don't know. You're just repeating religiously based dogma about the effect of drugs. It has absolutely squat to do with demonstrating that these experiences are a part of reality. It's just guessing and more bare assertions. The point is you haven't demonstrated the reality of your spiritual dimensions, no matter what you blabber about the pineal gland.
Double fool.



Religious based dogmas?
Since when religions connect drugs with the pineal gland?
Do some researches yog and see how drugs works on the pineal gland.
I can't give you the pacifier every time you start blubbering.

(September 16, 2016 at 11:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: It is very bizarre how so many atheists don't get it.![]()
Those who smoke, drink or use some drugs search the God that they deny.
God is peace of mind.
God is happiness.
The above substances give just that.
Drugs give the God that they deny it exist.
How stupid is that?
Quote:Blah, blah, blah. More bare assertions and nary a bit of evidence.
Not at all yog.
I do not expect that everybody come to the conclusion that God is real as per magic.
Atheists and anyone who doesn't care about God sooner or later will have to wake up to this reality.
Every single action that people do is done in order to evolve or get out the physical-mental sewer.
That means getting closer and closer to God whether we realize it or not.
The search for peace of mind and total bliss lead only in one place and that is where God is.
You never thought about that yog, did you?
