RE: Is there another motivation for christian belief?
September 23, 2016 at 10:53 am
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2016 at 10:55 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(September 22, 2016 at 10:51 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote:(September 22, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh I know. I was specifically referring to the religious context when I wrote that line. I meant us religious folks are people of hope in that we hope the our religion is true even though there is no concrete proof.
But yes, I'm sure every person, or at least most people, have hope for certain things to be true that they can't prove.
Thanks for your post, Catholic Lady. Out of curiosity, I've heard practitioners of religious faith, such as William Lane Craig and James White, say that their religion provides them with an objective basis for morality. However, if there is no concrete proof for the truth of their religion, then is it more accurate for them to say that their religious morality is faith-based, not objectively based? Thanks.
To you and others it would definitely make more sense to say it is faith based. But when a person has such a strong faith in their religion, they believe that their religion IS an objective truth. And when that "objective truth" gives them a basis for morality, then it would make sense that they see that basis as objective as well.
I can't speak for the men you refer to, but for myself, that's how I feel. I believe that my faith, which I see as being objectively true, provides me with an objective moral basis.
And you are correct that we don't have concrete proof to show that it's all true, but the sense of certainty for the believer is still there. Again, it's like with my husband. Perhaps that's an example you can better relate to. I don't have scientific proof that he loves me, but I truly 100% have faith that he does. If someone were to ask me if my husband loving me is an objective truth or merely my opinion, I would tell them he absolutely does. That it is objectively true. Even though I can't provide concrete proof of it to show you.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh