Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 26, 2021, 12:28 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
#1
Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
Hey there,

One of the most puzzling questions for me regarding christianity is why the doctrine of Trinity was accepted into mainstream christian beliefs.. even more puzzling is how some people accept it, without a problem, as a core article of faith. Beliefs should at least be internally consistent. The assertion that three separate entities exist as one unique entity clearly contradicts the law of identity, and thus should be ruled out 





This is one of my favorite videos about christianity. W.L. Craig, probably the most famous christian apologist alive, compares the trinitarian God to .... the mythological three-headed Dog!!! Didn't he notice that each head is a damn head.. not a dog?? In contrast, the Father, the Son, the Father are each clearly equivalent to dogs.......

Am I missing something, or is trinitarian belief a very basic logical mistake ...?
Reply
#2
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:26 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Hey there,

One of the most puzzling questions for me regarding christianity is why the doctrine of Trinity was accepted into mainstream christian beliefs.. even more puzzling is how some people accept it, without a problem, as a core article of faith. Beliefs should at least be internally consistent. The assertion that three separate entities exist as one unique entity clearly contradicts the law of identity, and thus should be ruled out 





This is one of my favorite videos about christianity. W.L. Craig, probably the most famous christian apologist alive, compares the trinitarian God to .... the mythological three-headed Dog!!! Didn't he notice that each head is a damn head.. not a dog?? In contrast, the Father, the Son, the Father are each clearly equivalent to dogs.......

Am I missing something, or is trinitarian belief a very basic logical mistake ...?

I do dismiss it outright. However, the trinitarian justification that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three persons in one essence. They aren’t descriptions of aspects of God, but are all names for God.

Go figure.

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
Reply
#3
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
Wouldn't this a good question for a Christian forum?

Why go to the atheists to ask when you know they already don't buy into it?
       I am the storm.                                                             
Reply
#4
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
Are you saying that the Abrahamic god of your fancy is more Abrahamic then the god of someone else's fancy?
Reply
#5
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Wouldn't this a good question for a Christian forum?

Why go to the atheists to ask when you know they already don't buy into it?

Weird. I not only dismiss the trinity, but also the imaginary deity that underlies it. Why ask people who cant give a fuck about the deity in the first place?

Beats seven shades out of me.
Reply
#6
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
Would you believe there are some folks who follow the words a murderous pedophile?
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

      Conservative trigger warning.
[Image: s-l640.jpg]
                                                                                         
Reply
#7
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I do dismiss it outright. However, the trinitarian justification that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three persons in one essence. They aren’t descriptions of aspects of God, but are all names for God.

Go figure.

Boru

I am reading Craig's article about this 
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings...e-trinity/

He says, verbatim : "There are three persons, denominated the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who deserve to be called God, and yet there is but one God, not three".

So Craig thinks the Father has all the properties a god has. And so do the Son and the HS. Anyway The last bit in bold really seems to me an arbitrary justification, if an entity has the properties of a God, then it is the God. Why block the conclusion there are three Gods AND one god according to this belief.? 

(June 4, 2021 at 8:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Wouldn't this a good question for a Christian forum?

Why go to the atheists to ask when you know they already don't buy into it?

Well, aren't there any christians here ?

I am just curious to know if there are any real justifications for this belief. Most atheists here were christians too so I expected you would know a lot about this

(June 4, 2021 at 8:38 pm)no one Wrote: Are you saying that the Abrahamic god of your fancy is more Abrahamic then the god of someone else's fancy?

At least monotheism isn't logically contradictory. So, in this sense it is superior -or more Abrahamic, as you put it- to trinitanian belief, I think.
Reply
#8
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:50 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(June 4, 2021 at 8:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I do dismiss it outright. However, the trinitarian justification that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three persons in one essence. They aren’t descriptions of aspects of God, but are all names for God.

Go figure.

Boru

I am reading Craig's article about this 
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings...e-trinity/

He says, verbatim : "There are three persons, denominated the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who deserve to be called God, and yet there is but one God, not three".

So Craig thinks the Father has all the properties a god has. And so do the Son and the HS. Anyway The last bit in bold really seems to me an arbitrary justification, if an entity has the properties of a God, then it is the God. Why block the conclusion there are three Gods AND one god according to this belief.? 

(June 4, 2021 at 8:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Wouldn't this a good question for a Christian forum?

Why go to the atheists to ask when you know they already don't buy into it?

Well, aren't there any christians here ?

I am just curious to know if there are any real justifications for this belief. Most atheists here were christians too so I expected you would know a lot about this

But it’s NOT three Gods. It’s one god with three names. The Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they’re the same one God. You and Craig are arguing a straw man.

Boru
Ignorance is never valid grounds for the rejection of established facts.
Reply
#9
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But it’s NOT three Gods. It’s one god with three names. The Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they’re the same one God. You and Craig are arguing a straw man.


You say : "The Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they’re the same one God." This is strictly equivalent to 3=1 because these are not just names of God, but persons who deserve to be called God

Anyway, I think I'll better head to a christian forum. I'm not sure anymore if I am getting sincere defenses or ironic statements
Reply
#10
RE: Why not dismiss the trinitarian belief outright
(June 4, 2021 at 8:50 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I am reading Craig's article about this 
Nope. Once you cited the lying scum WLC, you were done. That was the end of it.

(June 4, 2021 at 9:00 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(June 4, 2021 at 8:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But it’s NOT three Gods. It’s one god with three names. The Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they’re the same one God. You and Craig are arguing a straw man.


You say : "The Father is not the Son is not the Holy Spirit, but they’re the same one God." This is strictly equivalent to 3=1 because these are not just names of God, but persons who deserve to be called God

Anyway, I think I'll better head to a christian forum. I'm not sure anymore if I am getting sincere defenses or ironic statements

Oh yes. You want honesty. Fine. WLC is a lying scumbag. Is that sufficiently honest for you?
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Belief Catharsis 57 2082 March 24, 2019 at 9:54 am
Last Post: Shell B
  Is there another motivation for christian belief? brewer 118 9481 September 23, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Last Post: TubbyTubby
  My view of theism - theism analogous to belief in extra terrestrials joseph_ 4 781 August 30, 2016 at 4:20 am
Last Post: Jarrey
  I don't do "lack of belief", bitch. Foxaire 35 4364 March 21, 2016 at 9:12 pm
Last Post: Panatheist
  What is needed to combat the overwhelming level of belief in God? SteveII 149 15464 December 14, 2015 at 9:10 am
Last Post: Athene
  So what do you Christians like about your god belief/religion? Whateverist 44 8083 November 14, 2015 at 4:43 pm
Last Post: Catholic_Lady
  Theism the unscientific belief dyresand 18 3286 November 11, 2015 at 3:42 am
Last Post: Wyrd of Gawd
  Why is Faith/Belief a Moral Issue? Rhondazvous 120 19771 August 21, 2015 at 11:14 am
Last Post: Rhondazvous
  How to avoid confusion in your Christian belief. Pyrrho 14 2534 May 25, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Last Post: Salacious B. Crumb
  Belief in The Devil in 2015 Iroscato 71 11410 April 16, 2015 at 3:45 pm
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)