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Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 3:15 pm
Multiple times in the New Testament, it is being stated that a seed needs to die in order to be turned into a plant.
John 12:24, NIV Wrote:Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 1 Corinthians 15:36, NIV Wrote:What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. That belief is obviously incompatible with modern biology. But where does it come from? Was that belief also expressed by some Ancient Greek philosopher the authors of the New Testament would have been familiar with?
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 3:24 pm
It's an intuitive description of the life cycle of wheat.....and it's super useful in narrativizing the sacred nature (and Sacred Nature) of a dying god.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 3:47 pm
(August 2, 2023 at 3:24 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's an intuitive description of the life cycle of wheat.....and it's super useful in narrativizing the sacred nature (and Sacred Nature) of a dying god.
What is the difference between "sacred nature" and "Sacred Nature"?
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 3:47 pm
The Pixie of Death kills the seed.
Then the Pixie of Life(PBUH) brings the seed back to life.
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm
(August 2, 2023 at 3:15 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Multiple times in the New Testament, it is being stated that a seed needs to die in order to be turned into a plant.
John 12:24, NIV Wrote:Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 1 Corinthians 15:36, NIV Wrote:What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. That belief is obviously incompatible with modern biology. But where does it come from? Was that belief also expressed by some Ancient Greek philosopher the authors of the New Testament would have been familiar with?
I have also asked this question on Biblical Hermeneutics StackExchange.
It’s the description of an appearance. Seeds do not appear to be alive. As Nudger implies, this sort of thing is common in mythology - life/death/rebirth.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 4:40 pm
(August 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (August 2, 2023 at 3:15 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Multiple times in the New Testament, it is being stated that a seed needs to die in order to be turned into a plant.
That belief is obviously incompatible with modern biology. But where does it come from? Was that belief also expressed by some Ancient Greek philosopher the authors of the New Testament would have been familiar with?
I have also asked this question on Biblical Hermeneutics StackExchange.
It’s the description of an appearance. Seeds do not appear to be alive. As Nudger implies, this sort of thing is common in mythology - life/death/rebirth.
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I don't think the authors of the New Testament were implying that seeds weren't alive, I think that they said that seeds were first alive and then dead and only then turning into a plant, after they died.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 5:05 pm
(August 2, 2023 at 4:40 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: (August 2, 2023 at 4:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: It’s the description of an appearance. Seeds do not appear to be alive. As Nudger implies, this sort of thing is common in mythology - life/death/rebirth.
Boru
I don't think the authors of the New Testament were implying that seeds weren't alive, I think that they said that seeds were first alive and then dead and only then turning into a plant, after they died.
I understand that you think that.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 5:22 pm
I need to know the answer with regard to sesame seeds.
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 5:33 pm
Literary devices > metaphor.
Definition of metaphor :
"A metaphor is a type of figure of speech that compares one thing to another unlike thing. It's a direct comparison between two things that may not appear similar at all. Metaphors directly state that one thing is another. Metaphors are an example of figurative language because they aren't meant to be taken literally."
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Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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RE: Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from?
August 2, 2023 at 5:40 pm
It were the Norns. I seed 'em.
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