RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
September 24, 2016 at 8:42 am
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2016 at 9:47 am by Angrboda.)
(September 24, 2016 at 7:59 am)Little Rik Wrote:(September 23, 2016 at 4:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: How exactly is this or any near death experience evidence that consciousness survives physical death?
You're nothing but a clown. Repeating the same assertions without ever providing any evidence.
What a joke you are.
Are you going to repeat your silly NDE argument again? Of course you are.
Too many people testified that their consciousness took over once their bodies did die and more are emerging every day.
These people were not under the influence of any drugs and their body-brains were declared dead by qualify doctors so your stubbornness in refusing to believe is just your personal mental problem.
Nothing to do with the evidence.
http://www.near-death.com/science/resear...ences.html
Quote:Dr. Tart published an article in the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research which documents the OBE of a young woman who was one of his research subjects. What makes this particular OBE remarkable is that she was able to leave her physical body and read a 5-digit number from a significant distance and correctly give it to him upon return. This is one of best examples of a veridical OBE occurring under laboratory conditions.
Quote:During the experiment Tart monitored the equipment in the next room, behind an observation window, however, he admitted he had occasionally dozed during the night...nor had an observer been in the sleep chamber with her — precautions that should have been taken."
The psychologist James Alcock criticized the experiment for inadequate controls and questioned why the subject was not visually monitored by a video camera. Martin Gardner has written the experiment was not evidence for an OBE and suggested that whilst Tart was "snoring behind the window, Miss Z simply stood up in bed, without detaching the electrodes, and peeked." Susan Blackmore wrote "If Miss Z had tried to climb up, the brain-wave record would have showed a pattern of interference. And that was exactly what it did show."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ta...experiment (emphasis mine)
This is the quality of your evidence? No wonder you need "hundreds" of NDEs to make your case. A lot of poor evidence does not equal good evidence.
Regardless, your claim was that "consciousness survives physical death" -- OOBEs only suggest that unconscious subjects can have clairvoyant perceptions, not that their consciousness survives death. If the subjects were indeed dead, i.e. brain dead, then there would be nothing left to rescuscitate. Yet patients recover with varying levels of brain damage. This shows that brain metabolism was still proceeding during their "near death". This is a total fail. You want evidence of one thing, but you provide evidence of something completely different. That's not providing evidence of the claim. Like I said, you're a joke. This is nothing but a red herring.