Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy

[The Grand Nudger]

To the pagans, the Jews, the two cultures in which Christian beliefs arose.

Obviouisly, the things that embarass a pagan and a jew don;t embarass a christian.  I don't know where you hope to get from here.  

It was a stumbling block to those whom the Christians sought to make converts, both then and now.  The relevance should be easy to see, but to spell it out for you, I certainly can't think of a good explanation as to why any Jew or pagan one would want to start a religion in which their Savior is supposed to usher in God's kingdom on earth and is put to death before the revolution hardly even gets off the ground.

That's what they believed.  It's not difficult to understand at all.  Besides, it's not as if they left it at a crucified animal, now did they?  He came back, like a cat...lol.  

...What?  Every second and third hand account is a statement of belief.  The concern here is which beliefs are probably rooted in historical anecdote.  The element of awkward or embarrassing details within those beliefs lends credibility to their having a historical core, as the likelihood of such claims being among those one would make up, especially when attempting to persuade others of their veracity, decreases.  This is especially true in honor cultures.

Again, referencing roman critics isn't how the criterion of embarrassment is applied....and you don't know what embarassed early christians.  

You've lost me.   ID claims are not wrong because they're "absurd," as you say, they're wrong because they're redundant and do not logically follow from the evidence.  That's not at all relevant to historians finding greater value in embarrassing claims which are in-of-themselves very probable.

OFC they're not wrong because they're absurd....no one said they were.   Your misapplication of the criterion of embarassment gives you the same reason to believe, for the same reasons...however, that ther was a "historical creation event" by reference to all these threads on AF where atheists criticize it;s absurdity as the roman critic example does for a historical crucifixion.

-That-...is the problem. Obviously, something is wrong with this tool.