RE: Am I a Deist? Cosmological Argument seems reasonable to me.
September 26, 2016 at 10:16 am
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2016 at 10:31 am by _Velvet_.)
(September 26, 2016 at 10:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: It makes no more sense to think things would be different than to think that they would be the same. Matter of fact, it makes more sense to think they would be the same. Regardless, they would have to be different in a special way. Capable of doing magical things, and capable of doing those magical things inside our space. That's a pretty specific set of 'different'.
Well from what we know we have no reason to believe other universes would have the same conditions that would end up forming the same laws that we observe on our universe... but it might be the case, maybe even our universe has events that generate universes of other kinds and we don't even notice that, who knows?
But no, they don't need to be different in a special way to do magical things, all things that don't follow what we do have here are already "magic"...
And i'm not proposing those things are done INSIDE our space, instead they caused our space.
(September 26, 2016 at 10:09 am)Rhythm Wrote: Imagining that "stuff from other universes" does stuff in -this- universe is actually imagining that it follows the rules and laws of -this- universe. How else would it persist or interact? OP wants it to be capable of magic in this universe, which is to say capable of breaking the rules OP insists upon...
Why couldn't something magical be from this universe, if it's only function is to break one rule (say, that everything must have a cause) but it has to follow all the others..why source it from somewhere else? If magic from another universe can exist in our universe and effect our universe, then it must be possible for magic from -our- universe to exist here and do the same as well.
I really don't know what the point of all of this is.
It haven't said it persists or interact, it doesn't necessarily, the unmoved mover doesn't, it only sets in motion, its the CAUSE.
No I don't want it to be capable of magic in this universe, I just want it to be causeless cause, and on this universe that would be magic, so it I propose that if it were from another universe it would not be magic.
We source it from somewhere else so it is not magic.
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You guys seem to think (and are very dedicated to go against) a God that was not proposed or implied at all. I and RobValue are both talking about a uncaused cause and how that would make sense, especially when we consider that the cause its prior to time itself and how would that make sense.
So I think you guys are confused.
