(September 26, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:(September 26, 2016 at 10:58 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Well, your god is actually a god of the gaps. As you've said yourself you feel that there is a gap in science which can only be explained by the presence of a god, viz the creation of the universe. In the past it used be thunder and lightning, today it is the creation of the universe, what gap will be left tomorrow?
Edit: Also if you think the universe itself needs a cause, what exempts its creator from itself needing a cause? That's one question that I've never see a theist or deist who argues this line even attempt to answer.
Look at it like this: Say the individuated forces of the universe are like the colors of the rainbow. Believers used to think each individual color was a God, now we know they come from a unified source and unfold by natural frequency variation when passed through a prism. So now believers call the unified light before being spread apart "God".
What was "caused" into being? Matter? Not according to the law of conservation of energy. Was space caused into being between extremely tiny bits of that original matter? Yes. The creation of the void space required for matter to move is what creates time.
The original matter/God does not need a beginning, "a beginning" (of a universe) is the creation of space with the matter so it can move.
You guys bang your head over the creation of something when the creation of a relative "nothing" (patterned void space) is what you should be looking/accounting for.
So you've no answer to my question then. Quelle suprise. And no, "because I think it is so" isn't an answer, and argument by incredulity isn't a rebuttal to those who disagree with you.
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