RE: Why can't Christians Verify Exactly Where Jesus Was Buried?
September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm
(This post was last modified: September 27, 2016 at 7:42 pm by Firefighter01.)
(September 27, 2016 at 10:51 am)Aractus Wrote:(September 27, 2016 at 10:04 am)Firefighter01 Wrote: What I'm asking you is why do you act as though the Bible is reliable?
Quote:You don't get to invent your own facts FF01. We're only talking about part of the bible that is conditionally reliable on specific matters. For example, the majority view is the Gospel of John is especially not historically reliable.Let me put it another way. You seem to be a lot more Christian than atheist in your views. So which parts do you think are historically reliable?
(September 27, 2016 at 10:04 am)Firefighter01 Wrote: Only if you pre-suppose that he existed.
Quote:Right, and that same argument is made by those with no understanding of how to interpret historical data about Pythagoras, and about Shakespeare. Pythagoras Mythicisim is in fact very similar to Jesus Mythicisim, so why not look it up. Most Classicists believe that Pythagoras was a historical person, but we know less reliably about him than we do about Jesus, for example. They also do not know if he came up with the Pythagorean theorem, or learned it from others before him (partly because the Egyptians have been shown to have made use of the knowledge this theorem provides well before his time).You forget that we are taking about the supposed creator of the universe beamed down in flesh as his own son.
Quote:As for the rest of your reply - you're not even bothering to put forward Carrier's case which is really the only one that even resembles something worth debating. You're using your own criticism of history - you don't understand the primary evidence, nor have you studied it. Therefore you can only put forward the facts that are discussed by those who have done so. You aren't entitled to simply invent your own facts in the same way that Holocaust Deniers do.What a crock of shit! I have studied primary and other types of evidence, there ya go pre-supposing again! You aren't entitled to simply invent your own facts in the same way that Fundies do either.
Quote:It has nothing whatsoever to do with supposition. We know that the Pauline Epistles are a reliable testament to the beliefs, communication, and movements of Paul - and the reason why we know this is because they have been extensively studied by historians and that is their strongly held majority view. You need to stup pulling your ideas out of your ass, and learn what critical scholars have to say on the matter.You need to get some skeptical glasses on and ignore your ridiculous indoctrinated beliefs.