(September 28, 2016 at 1:35 am)Aractus Wrote:See above. You still believe hook, line and sinker what has been presented to you as the Christian truth probably since you were a little boy. If they didn't exist then the majority opinion is wrong. You don't need a majority to make it the truth. After all, the vast majority of the world imagines that gods and ghosts exist.(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: Let me put it another way. You seem to be a lot more Christian than atheist in your views. So which parts do you think are historically reliable?
Quote:That's only because you're twisting everything I'm saying. Christians, for example, believe that Jesus performed actual supernatural miracles - he turned water into wine, cured people of disease, walked on water, raised Lazarus from the dead, etc. Jesus did perform healings and exorcisms. Atheists are sceptical as to whether those things really cured people of their problems, Christians think that of course he did.Really? Haven't you seen these?
Paul doesn't ever make any claim to have ever healed anyone, even though doing so would have enhanced his missionary work, and yet you still seem to have something against his historicity so please explain what it is? Again I put it to you that you do not know what you are talking about, and are just making assumptions based on "logic".
Acts 28:8
And it happened that the father of Publius was lying in bed afflicted with recurrent fever and dysentery; and Paul went in to see him and after he had prayed, he laid his hands on him and healed him.
Acts 14:8-11
8 At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
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9 This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,
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10 said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.
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11 When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they raised their voice, saying in the Lycaonian language, "The gods have become like men and have come down to us."
He also performed exorcisms, raised a boy who had fallen from the dead in Acts 20 and somehow survived a stoning at Lystra. The stones must have been pebbles as he fucked off out of town the next day unharmed.
None of the early Christian churches that he supposedly founded mention him at all, which isn't surprising.
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: You forget that we are taking about the supposed creator of the universe beamed down in flesh as his own son.
Quote:That's not at all what we're talking about.Uh yes we are. It's what this thread is about and you just finished saying that Pythagoras Mythicisim is in fact very similar to Jesus Mythicisim. Jesus is a tad different from Pythagorus because of what I just mentioned.
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: What a crock of shit! I have studied primary and other types of evidence, there ya go pre-supposing again! You aren't entitled to simply invent your own facts in the same way that Fundies do either.
Quote:Your arguments are no different to that of YEC's and "Fundamentalists". No different. You are deliberately ignoring the facts presented by historians, and the conclusions they've drawn from them. How is that any more intelligible than Fundamentalism?I'm not making the claims about their historicity, YOU are. I'm just not convinced because of the lack of evidence and the evidence that is presented is just so piss poor. As I've said previously, historians whose livelihoods and careers are dependent upon Jesus being a historical person are tainted and therefore biased. Jesus & Paul being exposed as myths means nothing to me, but that knowledge is kryptonite to Christians. There's no secular evidence of either and the best possible witness would have been Philo of Alexandria, but he like Paul, only knew of Jesus as a spirit. I don't think that he even mentions Paul, even though he would have been a contemporary. Capping it all off is the presence of all the mystery cults of the same area and time with their own savior gods.
I can't say with certitude that either the Jesus of the Bible nor the Apostle Paul ever existed and neither can you, sport.
(September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm)Firefighter01 Wrote: You need to get some skeptical glasses on and ignore your ridiculous indoctrinated beliefs.
What "indoctrinated beliefs" am I putting forward? Name them. All I have presented in this thread is the majority views of critical scholars. Identify what I've presented in this thread that is "indoctrinated" and is not a view shared by majority opinion by historians?
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