What computer do you have?

[Aractus]

LMAO. I give up. You move the goalposts every time you are proved wrong, it's sad and pathetic.

I am not moving any goalposts. You showed me an Amazon link that I cannot buy from, and I pointed out that there's nowhere that I, or for that matter anyone, knows where they can get a genuine battery from except from an Apple store where they have to pay for a way overpriced service. I did mention the battery is the part that wears out the fastest - do you dispute this?

A page showing you how to replace a battery is useless unless you can buy it in the first place. Show me where I can get a genuine Macbook battery for the cost of the part in Australia? As I mentioned, I'm not even convinced that your Amazon link is to a genuine dealer, it is most likely a recycled used battery.

Then you have the audacity to complain that they can't be shipped to Australia by air, like that has any bearing on whether MacBooks are user-serviceable or not.

They aren't sold to Australia at all. But IF they were, by sea you would have to wait about 6 weeks. Do you think that's a reasonable time to wait while you can't use your computer?

Whatever you want to call it, it doesn't matter. I'm not getting into an argument over the features / "durability designs" of MacBooks vs other laptops. Laptops are all different.

No they aren't, they all conform to a standardised heuristic.

Still irrelevant to the discussion. Also, I'm not sure how long you've been around consumer electronics, but generally speaking water based liquid + electronics never mix. Again, this is about selling products to a general user base, not you. You sound like you spills stuff on laptops way more than the average consumer. Apple don't care about you; they care about regular people who don't spill stuff on laptops (I've *never* spilled stuff on my laptop, because I know not to have a drink next to a laptop).

Tib, I'm older than you. When I was in early primary school (like year 2) we had monochrome Macs for crying out loud. You are now the one moving the goalpost - what I said is that in any decent high-end laptop the keyboard is liquid-resistant... meaning it drains away from the electronics. If it never comes in contact with the electronics then there's never a problem.

Like I said, I spill shit on my keyboard about once to twice a year. That's why I keep a spare $15 keyboard on hand. I've already spilt shit in this keyboard, and apart from the sticky F7 key it still works like new.

No, it's a fact that there was a design flaw. It's your opinion that the flaw was deliberate. It's not the first time there's been a design flaw in an Apple product (remember the iPhone 4's antenna issue). Apple aren't perfect; nobody is claiming that. However they fixed the antenna issue and gave everyone a free case which solved the problem.

Anyway, as it happens, Apple are repairing these design flaws for laptops that are out of warranty: https://www.christopherprice.net/macbook...-2036.html

Don't think that's the attitude of a company that deliberately designed the flaw in the first place...unless of course you are delusional enough to think Apple likes wasting money.

It's not an opinion. If they did it once and then fixed their mistake it would be an opinion.

...oh, and no, like most of the human race I don't spill stuff on my electronics.

Oh I see. What about people with MS, or Parkinsons, or spina bifida, or cerebral palsy then?

My guess is you haven't been around many non-technical people. Non-technical people have problems turning laptops on and off, let alone changing a battery. In regards to the cost; there are likely computer repair shops which can do the replacement for a lower amount. I'm not sure, I've never replaced my battery via a third party, but given that the instructions for doing it are online, I would imagine computer repair shops would be able to undercut Apple.

Right, so no they can't because they can't get the batteries in the first place, and I'll explain this to you in detail. Whenever Apple finds out that one of their Chinese partners has been selling their batteries they cut them off. For that reason it is very difficult to find genuine importers who have genuine relationships with these companies to source the batteries direct.