(April 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Kyu: Don't you have your own posts to write? Why do you always jump on everyone else's?
WTF are you on about? Every forum member is able to comment on every other forum member's posting s (except in the debate forum) so I am absolutely 100% on the mark again ... I presume this is just another form of ignoring me (which you were told you couldn't do as I am a moderator) by proxy?
(April 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry - I'm not perpetuating that nonsense tit for tat style when it doesn't even concern you personally.
So, just another dodge then? Well, if you believe you can play dirty so can I!
(April 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Someone tell me if Kyu makes a good point please.
Point summary made (from above):
- Yet again you are dodging and being disingenuous.
- If your god is only true for you because you believe it to be so and can't be true for anyone else your god is a logical contradiction, it either exists or it doesn't ... it CANNOT exist only for some but not for others.
- If "the evidence is more than opinion" what evidence are you referring to?
- To argue that if we know what you know then we would have a reason to believe there is a god is using the No True Scotsman fallacy and conveniently ignores the fact that many of us have been where you are and have subsequently rejected such childish notions.
- EvF is, in essence, saying exactly what I say i.e. that god either exists or doesn't and that if the evidence you have for him exists then it would for everyone (IOW it would be possible to examine it at least potentially)
- You DO NOT test your faith, you seek to confirm & bolster it.
- We have repeatedly asked that you provide specifics and you always retreat behind bullshit arguments like there being no evidence for your god.
- You claim you have established that there can be no factual proof when in actual fact you have not established it (the claim being heavily disputed), you have merely claimed it and that is an entirely different thing.
- Saying that you believe something to be true is not the same as it being true, it is potentially the equivalent of delusion.
- There is no such thing, at least in principle, as non-empirical evidence unless you are talking about quantum mechanics and whilst that isn't fully understood I believe I am correct in saying that, to date, nothing predicted by QM has been demonstrated as false.
- What evidence do you have for the existence of your god and if no evidence is what we should expect then how do you differentiate between your (Christian) claim and that of other non-Christian religions past & present? IOW there are other people in this world who believe they're (non-Christian) god/s is/are real ... are they and, if not, why does your god deserve any more credence than theirs? Note that I am aware of your response to this in another thread but, since it essentially equates to , "because I believe it is" I reject that as a valid answer.
- Lots of people make claims about lots of things (many of them gods) without any supporting (validatable) evidence and, without supporting validatable evidence, it is valid to reject your claim for the very same reasons we would reject theirs and demanding/implying that your claim is somehow different (more valid) is special pleading.
- The rational mind does not make the evidence fit the answer; neither EvF or I are doing so and we are asking the very same questions of you that we would ask anyone if they claimed something.
Kyu
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