Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy

[Mudhammam]

What parallels, to what?  Be specific.  There's no need for a historical zeus or odin to explain the rise of greek or norse paganism...so what special standard?  

I.e. cult leaders like Proteus Peregrinus or Alexander of Abonoteichus or Apollonius of Tyana; or Joseph Smith or any other countless example that has breathed between now and the last 2,500 years. I have no idea how you think that any of these characters, including Christ, resemble, in their appearance in the historical record, the births of the gods and heroes in pagan mythology. Your references to the latter are just bizarre.

Why would -that- matter?  Pro-tip, it wouldn't.  We don't know who came up with the narratives.  Knowing who came up with them, however, wouldn't make them any more or less historical.  

Um, kind of, yeah... it would... if your claim is that the origin of the narrative's central figures were ultimately born out of the feverish imaginations of some individuals. To know who came up with the narrative and why is crucial to your hypothesis when the simplest explanation need only confer to those countless other examples I previously cited, in which more often than not a "divine" is typically but a charismatic sociopath in charge of a frenzied, uneducated herd... which, apparently, is precisely what the historical record of Christianity's emergence reflects.

Again, the canon took centuries, not decades.  Many stories were written and told about jesus, not all agree on the details, hence the classification as heretical accounts by the eventual victors in the christian game...and their exclusion from canon.  That the jesus narrative existed before the final canon was codified isn't something that you have to grant, it doesn't require your permission.  It's a fact.  

Whose talking about the final canon? We're talking about the earliest documents that have been preserved from the first fifteen to seventy-five years following Christ's supposed death. If there were more writings that were lost, and there undoubtedly were, you think that helps establish the non-historicity of Christ? That's some amazingly topsy-turvy logic you've got there under your belt.

I doubt you've read any of it, because you all keep babbling about shit that isn't in their work - followed by round dismissals of the authors rather than the positions.  The same is happening here, in thread.  Point in fact - you see this summary, and have nothing to say about it.  Just more to say about carrier, price, and myself.  

In other words, I've responded to the arguments you've produced. Admittedly, this is rather difficult, seeing as how (let's be honest) you haven't yet given one.

More of the above.  Please, elaborate.  

There's virtually no similarity behind the tradition of Heracles and his presence in Greek culture and that of Jesus. But you either knew that, and acted disingenuously, or you're even less well-read on the relevant literature that relates to mythicism than you pretend.