(October 3, 2016 at 10:35 pm)lighthouse Wrote:(October 3, 2016 at 10:24 pm)Aroura Wrote: I was just watching a true story of a young man who killed another man in a fit of road rage. The murderer was a brilliant young entrepreneur, but unrepentant of the murder he committed.no babies aren't wicked. Babies just are able to show a form of original sin just like you. It's not wicken or terrible or bad. Most christians don't even realize they have it. We do everything to benefit us. Humans are extremely selfish. We even help others to brag that we helped them. Jesus didn't have a get out of jail free card. He bore every sin known to man and suffered greatly for it. it wasn't a quick death he received more lashings than any man had ever been able to receive and live then he picked up a heavy cross and carried it on his back for a mile while people cursed and threw rocks at him. He was hung on the cross with two nails driven through his wrists and feet and then stabbed with a spear. Then he went to hell for three days and suffered. but was risen again to let us know our sins were forgiven and earth was our domain again. when we bit the apple we gave earth to the demons when he died earth was again ours and we had power over the demons. God has given us so many chanced from eve to noah to Jesus. Our God is the only God to come down to earth as a mortal human and die for us. He has unconditional love.
When he was found guilty and sentenced to nearlyou the maximum allowed, his mother came forward and tearfully begged to take the punishment in his place. Now that right there is a parent showing unconditional love. Being mortal, she didn't have the resurrection get out of free jail card Jesus supposedly did, which renders his "sacrifice" utterly meaningless. Particularly if it leaves the majority of his "children" still being eternally punished.
But I see you are one of those Good News brainwasee's who thinks that the good news is that babies are born wicked and sinful and selfish. What a warped and sick view. Sorry to be personal but I find those teachings particularly abhorrent. Children love their parents for many reasons, not just 'cause you give them food and shelter. I mean, unless your parents are emotionless sicko's who lock a child in a room and shove food in through a flap in the door.
Do you honestly believe babies are wicked? I thought Jesus taught that children are sinless and his up to a certain age. Only this modern evangelical Good News nonsense changes that to keep their followers too frightened to escape that messed up cult.
(October 3, 2016 at 10:32 pm)Aroura Wrote: You also say believing is a choice, but you could not chose to unbelievers because you've felt him. What about those who chased him for ages and never felt Him? Are they making a choice, or simply not believing because they haven't felt what you've felt? If you cannot chose, what makes you soooo certain other can?? The choice must go both ways to be a valid choice. One must be able to feel him and still disbelieve, or it isn't a choice, it's just something that happened to you but not to others. Like cancer.
Again, this seems like a cheap trick believers use to make God seem less monstrous. Please demonstrate any person knowing God and chosing to deny him, or not knowing or feeling God, but chosing to believe. Free will, at least in this instance is a complete lie or else you'd be able to excessive it right now.
Jeremiah 29:12
Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes
Matthew 7: 7-8
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened."
Those who chase after him are not left empty handed.
Mother Theresa died in doubt, not sure anyone could chase him harder than she did. So it's her fault, not his for not showing himself to her clearly?
You are literally judging millions, MILLIONS! of people you do not know, saying they have not sought God. You don't know them, you don't know how hard anyone else has tried to find God and failed. Yet you are ready to dismiss it all as their fault with no evidence at all, because your mind cannot think outside the box your particular cult has trapped it in.
You are too frightened of eternal punishment to even entertain the notion that many seekers do not find him because he isn't there. Your mind is dark and closed. Light would probably scare the tar out of you.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
