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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith
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(October 7, 2016 at 4:56 am)ray3400 Wrote: I think position 2 is logically consistent with not requiring faith.
However, positions 1 and 3 do inherently require faith, due to there being a degree of uncertainty with each position. Why must there be a degree of uncertainty with positions 1 and 3? God has not been formally proven or formally disproven.

I'm not saying there must be a degree of uncertainty. I'm saying you can claim to be certain, or just to believe. That's the difference between being agnostic and gnostic.

Quote:Let's suppose the amount of faith required is proportional to the degree of uncertainty involved.

For example, the strong atheist has a 0.0001% uncertainty and the theist has a 50% uncertainty, therefore the theist requires 500,000 times more faith than the strong atheist. The strong atheistic position requires faith nonetheless. The only way for the strong atheist position to be logically consistent and not require faith it to bring the uncertainty level down to 0%. This is impossible without a formal disproof of the existence of God.

You're using the word "faith" in many different ways, I'm not sure what your aim is. What is your aim, anyway? Like I said, you're only even arguing with gnostic atheists, of which there are very few. Are you saying faith is a good or a bad thing?

In my opinion, absolute certainty, about anything, is unrealistic. We can just be certain beyond reasonable doubt.

The theist is 50% uncertain? I think this is highly unlikely. If they feel it's a coin toss, they are an atheist. You don't have a positive belief in god if you think it's that up in the air.
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Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 7:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:20 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Excited Penguin - October 7, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:27 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jackalope - October 7, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 5:12 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 7, 2016 at 5:29 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 5:41 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Alex K - October 7, 2016 at 6:46 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Sal - October 7, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 7, 2016 at 7:20 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 7, 2016 at 7:28 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by vorlon13 - October 7, 2016 at 9:27 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:45 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 9:41 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 9, 2016 at 4:14 pm
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 7, 2016 at 11:17 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Crossless1 - October 7, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by downbeatplumb - October 7, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 6:17 pm
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 7:13 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by KevinM1 - October 7, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 7, 2016 at 7:34 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Iroscato - October 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by brewer - October 7, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Angrboda - October 7, 2016 at 9:44 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LostLocke - October 7, 2016 at 6:56 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Paraselene - October 7, 2016 at 11:47 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 8, 2016 at 1:47 am
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RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:15 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:29 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:02 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by pocaracas - October 9, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Faith No More - October 9, 2016 at 7:16 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Angrboda - October 9, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by chimp3 - October 9, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Cato - October 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2016 at 5:18 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by ray3400 - October 9, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2016 at 11:38 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by Whateverist - October 9, 2016 at 2:17 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by LastPoet - October 9, 2016 at 6:44 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 5:52 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 7:22 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by robvalue - October 9, 2016 at 1:54 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by henryp - October 12, 2016 at 4:35 pm
RE: Thoughts On Atheism and Faith - by The Grand Nudger - October 9, 2016 at 6:32 pm

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