(October 18, 2016 at 2:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: So, your god is 99.9999999+% nothingness. What is the difference between your god and simple reality in the miniscule remainder? Can you actually speak to that?No, as I've said repeatedly, GOD is 100% occupation of space by substance and that is the condition of reality/existence/cosmos outside the spatial border of the voided universe. The universe is like a void/vacuum bubble in the middle of an ocean with no top bottom or sides. The difference is that the stuff of the universe is defined by empty space and finite surface borders. There are neither in GOD....like an ocean with no top, bpttom or sides. Extant Infinity.
Quote:I'm not playing dumb; I'm challenging you to go beyond woospeak. No need to get sore about it; if my replies bother you, hey, let me know, I'll shut up. But myself, it seems to me that you're caught between deism and Christianity, and don't really like being asked to peg out your tent.
You are more than welcome to take me to task any way you please. I'll do the same.
"The Word" is far older than Christianity.
Quote:See, when you start talking about symmetry break/quantum fluctuation that creates a finite God etc , my bullshit-detector starts klanging; such verbiage is in my experience a sign of someone pontificating for impression rather than expression. Big words don't impress me. Nebulous connections and stream-of-thought poesy is likewise unremarkable.Fair enough.
I'm actually asking you that since you have insight into the nature of this god you percieve, perhaps you could lay out your perceptions ... without the high-falutin' bullshit, preferably.
I'm a dumbass. Keep this shit simple, Swami.
My perceptions of a pre-inflation, extant (substantive) infinite (God prior to creation) are these:
It is One and there is no zero, no "nothing" anywhere.
It is infinite in expanse and omnipresent as total occupation of that space by substance.
It surrounds itself equally in all directions, it is at the center of itself everywhere, and it exists as a field of matter in equilibrium with no higher or lower areas of excitation/energy. A true zero gravity state.
The only mode of travel possible for any vibration/energy though the substance is straightly like a planar compression wavefront through a block of steel. All directions of travel are open, none are preferred.
There is no preferred orientation: no up, down, left, right, out, or in, they all arrive at the same place with no differentiation from the place you left to get there.
There is no curvature.
There is no form.
There is no movement/change of the substance to indicate passage of time.
Those are some of the main qualities I perceive.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder