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Explaining the fact that we exist
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RE: Explaining the fact that we exist
(October 24, 2016 at 10:32 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Atheists cannot account for apparent cosmological fine-tuning except by appealing to necessity (brute fact) or chance (multiverse). If necessary then the obvious question arises. Why must the physical universe be as it is and no other way? If by chance, then an infinite regress ensues. Why is the multiverse fine-tuned to generate physical universes that are fine-tuned?

I have read about it, there are apparently some arguments against the fine-tuned argument, one of them is top-down cosmology which I do not understand (because my english is lacking in some areas, maybe it might help you), anyway, let's say we don't know.

How does god help? You are presenting god of the gaps at the moment. If we have no answer for it, god isn't the answer either, until you prove god, that is the problem. God isn't the answer to everything we can't answer. There might be some things that we won't be able to answer, and god will never be the solution for that, you'll have to deal with the possibility that we are imperfect and our knowledge might be forever incomplete.

The origin of the universe is a very complex question, and we don't know everything about the universe, for all we know, there might be a branch of physics that we haven't discovered that could potentially answer this question. My point is here, it might be ok to present god when we know everything or everything we need to know to solve this problem yet we can't. There's also the possibility, that everything just is, without a reason. If you ask questions far enough, my guess is, you'll eventually come to the point where the answer is 'it just is'.

A problem with this question that I've noticed a very lot since I've gotten into 'this', is that, before asking this question we, without realizing it, presume that life itself is something special, that we are more than a collection of atoms, therefore we must come from an intelligent being. The universe isn't fine-tuned for us, we adapted to the circumstances in the universe, we literally speaking, are the universe. If you're going to present a soul, something special, something extraordinary that only we humans have, It'd be good coupled with evidence. My stance at the moment is that our imperfect human brains are overthinking the situation.

You've got the multiverse theory wrong. It isn't fine-tuned to generate universes capable of life as we know it, it's that among the infinite amount of universes, there are an amount that can provide life as we know it, that simple. In that case, no universe that supports life is fine-tuned, it's just that they are one of the universes that have the right tunings among infinite others that don't have the right tunings.

You can believe that god did everything, but you'll probably never convince someone that requires evidence.
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Explaining the fact that we exist - by OttoVonKerpen - October 24, 2016 at 6:42 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 6:50 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Grandizer - October 24, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 6:53 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by chimp3 - October 24, 2016 at 6:55 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 6:55 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Gawdzilla Sama - October 24, 2016 at 7:17 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Primordial Bisque - October 24, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by account_inactive - October 24, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Whateverist - October 24, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Fake Messiah - October 24, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Lek - October 24, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Arkilogue - October 24, 2016 at 3:30 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Neo-Scholastic - October 24, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Grandizer - October 24, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Neo-Scholastic - October 24, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by deleteduser12345 - October 24, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Grandizer - October 24, 2016 at 6:43 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Arkilogue - October 24, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Crossless1 - October 24, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Neo-Scholastic - October 24, 2016 at 2:26 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Crossless1 - October 24, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by deleteduser12345 - October 24, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Whateverist - October 24, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by chimp3 - October 24, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Simon Moon - October 24, 2016 at 6:55 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Pat Mustard - November 5, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Primordial Bisque - October 24, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 24, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Whateverist - October 24, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Neo-Scholastic - October 24, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Arkilogue - October 24, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - October 24, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Truth_Love2016 - October 24, 2016 at 3:15 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - October 24, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Ravenshire - November 5, 2016 at 1:41 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Truth_Love2016 - October 24, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by brewer - October 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Pat Mustard - November 5, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Fake Messiah - October 25, 2016 at 2:52 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 25, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by deleteduser12345 - October 25, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by deleteduser12345 - October 25, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - October 24, 2016 at 2:47 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - October 24, 2016 at 3:00 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Lek - October 24, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - October 24, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by LastPoet - October 24, 2016 at 3:28 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Asmodee - October 24, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by ApeNotKillApe - October 24, 2016 at 5:51 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Whateverist - October 24, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by robvalue - October 25, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by brewer - October 25, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Fake Messiah - October 25, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by TheMonster - October 25, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Edwardo Piet - October 26, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Neo-Scholastic - November 1, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Ravenshire - November 5, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - November 1, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by AceBoogie - November 3, 2016 at 11:24 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2016 at 7:29 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Minimalist - November 5, 2016 at 2:10 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Edwardo Piet - November 4, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Asmodee - November 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by Ravenshire - November 5, 2016 at 1:31 am
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by downbeatplumb - November 5, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 1:44 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 2:02 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by purplepurpose - November 5, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Explaining the fact that we exist - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2016 at 4:06 pm

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