(November 1, 2016 at 7:33 am)Tazzycorn Wrote:(October 31, 2016 at 9:35 pm)abaris Wrote: I'm also pro choice, but - depending on what late time means - I don't agree. There's a point when an organism seizes to be just a collection of cells and develops senses. That's where I draw the line outside of life threatening conditions.
The point at which you start saying no to abortions (with the important caveat that the life of the mother is still more important than the potential life of the foetus) is at the point where there's a reasonable chance of viability outside the womb. And that is still 24 weeks or so, the cut off point under UK legislation. Anything after that should need both the wishes of the mother and a genuine medical reason (and I consider suicidal ideation as genuine).
As I said though, "genuine medical reasons" can be subjective depending on the abortionist. That's the problem. Some abortionists will do late term abortions for any reason. In some states, an 8 month pregnant woman could walk in and say she no longer wants the baby and claim mental health reasons for it, and the abortionist can consider that "genuine medical reasons" and go through with the abortion. Also as I said, late term abortions are not an immediate necessity to save a mother's life. If the pregnancy is causing life threatening problems for the mom, such as preeclampsia or eclampsia, inducing labor and C section can be done instead to get the baby out - saving the mom while still giving the baby a chance of survival. Or at least sparing him/her from what would otherwise be an extremely painful, violent death.
Late abortions often involve cutting the baby up into pieces and crushing his/her skull so that the remains are small enough to be extracted out. They can feel pain at this point. Can you imagine the pain of being killed by having your arms and legs cut off before getting your skull crushed? This is a horrible, horrible thing. Hillary is a vehement supporter of late term abortion on the basis of "women's rights" and I cannot stand behind her partially for that reason.
My older sister was conceived when my mom was only 19 and the father was abusive and a drug dealer. Many people in my family at that time wanted my mom to abort her, including my grandfather who tried to force my mom into an abortion. My aunt (the only religious one in the family at that time) was the only person who fought for my sister's life and supported my pregnant mom when others in the family wouldn't. My sister is now 36 years old, a feminist to boot, and extremely pro life. She laughs at the notion that abortion is a "woman's right" when she, a woman, almost had her most basic fundamental human right taken away.
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