RE: A serious question for theists
November 8, 2016 at 3:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2016 at 3:08 pm by Crossless2.0.)
(November 8, 2016 at 1:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:(November 6, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Lek Wrote: God sacrificed his only son for the world. What is so weak about that?
What sacrifice? Jesus died and then supposedly came back to life, and then went to Heaven to be with God. Some sacrifice. More like a temporary inconvenience.
Yeah, a savior suffering the ravages of Hell (or eternal separation from God or what have you) eternally in place of those "deservedly" hell-bound people who believe and accept this sacrifice in humility and gratitude strikes me as vastly more impressive than the temporary suffering and subsequent victory of the Christian savior.
Mind you, I don't wish to suggest that there was anything merely "inconvenient" about the scourging and crucifixion of Jesus, any more than I would any other person who has been tortured to death. It must have been awful in ways I can only dimly imagine and never (I hope) understand. But it was awful precisely because it happened to a man, not God-in-the-flesh. Once Jesus' alleged divinity is put on the table, the whole thing is cheapened, in my view. Yes, I know that Christians like to have it both ways: he was equally God and equally man and suffered just as any man would. But that's an article of faith and twisted Trinitarian "logic" -- not a fact. If his victory was assured as part of God's (Jesus'?) plan, then Doubting Thomas is right: a really bad morning and half an afternoon, followed by an eternity reigning in Heaven. Meh.
By contrast, another savior figure, Prometheus, strikes me as having incurred a much worse fate. And leaving myth aside, human history is sadly full of examples of people who suffered just as much, if not considerably more, than Jesus is said to have suffered, crass though it be to compare such horrors.