RE: Trump is waffling on the wall.
November 11, 2016 at 3:00 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2016 at 3:16 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 11, 2016 at 2:33 pm)abaris Wrote:(November 11, 2016 at 2:30 pm)Rhythm Wrote: See, again...the wall had a hell of a psychological effect on you.
No, it acutally hadn't. I contemplated deleting the 40 years since that was longer than the actual Iron Curtain existed. 1958 was before and the Iron Curtain as well as the Berlin wall were a result of the massive migration that happened before.
So, I'm calling myself stupid now for not deleting the 40 and replace it with a 28, which would be the more appropriate number.
Would you like me to run the numbers on how many people escaped directly over the berlin wall in those 28 years, and then add to that the -much- larger number of people who just went -around- the walls where they existed? If that satisfies your metrics for a successful wall, a use of what would be billions and billions of dollars...then perhaps we just have different measures for success? It just doesn;t look like it worked to me, and that;s before we start to acknowledge that we're talking about an entirely different scenario...where people are trying to keep their own subjugated populace in..from territotry where they do have means of control and which is chock full of informants. The situation isn;t even equivalent. I doubt that mexico or mexicans would be any more willing than people on the other side of that wall were to help us enforce it. OFC, theres also the nagging detail of what -happened- to the group that built those walls. Did they thrive and prosper because of them..........did it make the soviets great again, lol?
Mind you, I'm not trying to force any of these positions on you, not saying that you think it did make them great again, for example..only trying to express why I cant see that wall as a success -on any level-....and we still haven't popped the cherry on the black market issue (one of the justifications offered for -our- wall).
(there's actually a chart in that link, directly beneath the bit I quoted)
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