The Historical Christ

[Giff]

First, what does the scientific community have to do with anything? Correct me if I am wrong, but is this not history? It is kind of like a history teacher walking into a biology class and saying evolution is nonsense.

Secondly, what do you have against secondary sources? These sources are written after Christ's death but they may be taking there info from primary sources that have since been lost. So yes, these sources do support the existence of Christ.

Also from what I can tell Christ was only given the title after he died. As we have lost the real name of Christ, this would make finding a primary source written about him pretty hard. This means that secondary sources from the mid-first century are the best we are going to get. As I have stated before, we could have a truck load of papers with the Christs real name on it and we would not know.

I would also like to hear your (Giff) opinion as to how the Christ 'myth' came about. If it is credible you might even convince me of your myth hyppthesis.

His name before he was Jesus Christ was Jesus of Nazareth, atleast what it says. The question is if Jesus of Nazareth have existed or not. I say it could have been possible that a character named Jesus of Nazaretht was an inpiration to the character in the bible.

However is there no real evidence of such thing. Don't understand what you talk about when you say that the scientific community doesn't have anything to do with history. I don't belong to the scientific community if that's what you mean.

Anyway what I can tell from the bible is Jesus or Yeshu that is the real name (Jesus is the greek translation of Yeshu) more or less a mythical character. There could have been someone that did something, like dying a martyrs death for his belief or perhaps even lead some kind of rebellion against the roman. However it's clear that the character in the bible have many sources. Probably many diffrent myths and tales that Jesus in the bible have been credited for.

I think acctually Chatpilot have a good explanation to all this and surely can come up with something better how they myth of Jesus was created. Also how likely that Jesus from Nazareth have existed. Chatpilot have acctually studied this alot, atleast from what I heared and understand from what he has written.

But as a lekman historian am I not convinced that Jesus from Nazareth have existed. There's no real proof and the non-biblical references to him is etiher been manipulated afterwards it has been written or is not mention the name of Yeshu.