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Who is to blame.
RE: Who is to blame.
(November 16, 2016 at 8:59 am)Tonus Wrote: In the article that Min linked, the author is saying that if you can live with President Trump as the price of passing on Hillary, then he has no issue with it.  His anger was directed at those who either did not vote, or voted third-party and are now suffering from buyer's remorse.  His specific example was of a guy who expressed outrage that Trump had won --and told the writer that he needed to "get back to work," presumably to mitigate the damage of a Trump presidency-- and then admitted that he had voted for Jill Stein.

I do think that a lot of people who either stayed home or voted third-party did so because they thought Clinton would win and they could then spend the next four/eight years smugly chiding their fellow liberals that they "didn't vote for her."  But Trump won and now they're panicking and relying on those time-tested tactics of sobbing on Youtube and hashtagging their grief, neither being a viable substitute for actually getting out and voting for the outcome you either want or prefer.

Fair enough.

I see it as an opportunity. It's an opportunity to shine a light on the dark undercurrent of hatred and bigotry in this country that can no longer hide in the shadows. It's an opportunity to point out the "moral majority" is anything but. It's an opportunity to point out what kind of horrors conservatives will hitch their wagons to.

If the Dems play their cards right, they'll be the winners in this whole thing eventually. I'm not holding my breath on that, though.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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