RE: Question about the whole NDE concept and Dr. Jeffrey Long
November 17, 2016 at 2:29 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 2:32 am by robvalue.)
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Yes, the life changing element tells you nothing about the origin of the experience.
Human memory is extremely unreliable at the best of times, and even more so when trying to recall experiences under extreme stress. Given so many people know what they "should" experience, it's quite possible they modify/invent memories, perhaps without even knowing it, in order to conform. And really, the story the person tells is going to be an extremely bad model of what actually happened to their brain in reality. If we want to study anything, it has to be objectively, which will probably mean going directly to the brain.
There is a whole stupid equivocation thing going on with what "death" actually means, as well. Does it mean:
(1) Cannot come back to life
Or
(2) A set of criteria by which a person is judged to be "dead"
If we use definition 1, then anyone who is still alive did not die. If we use definition 2, there is no reason to think anyone cannot come back from being "dead" because it's purely an arbitrary human judgement. We don't know everything about the human body. People try and conflate the two, to make our human judgement counts as definition 1, then this gets defied by the person doing "the impossible" and coming back to life. It's the same kind of nonsense as when people try to define "supernatural" and such.
Yes, the life changing element tells you nothing about the origin of the experience.
Human memory is extremely unreliable at the best of times, and even more so when trying to recall experiences under extreme stress. Given so many people know what they "should" experience, it's quite possible they modify/invent memories, perhaps without even knowing it, in order to conform. And really, the story the person tells is going to be an extremely bad model of what actually happened to their brain in reality. If we want to study anything, it has to be objectively, which will probably mean going directly to the brain.
There is a whole stupid equivocation thing going on with what "death" actually means, as well. Does it mean:
(1) Cannot come back to life
Or
(2) A set of criteria by which a person is judged to be "dead"
If we use definition 1, then anyone who is still alive did not die. If we use definition 2, there is no reason to think anyone cannot come back from being "dead" because it's purely an arbitrary human judgement. We don't know everything about the human body. People try and conflate the two, to make our human judgement counts as definition 1, then this gets defied by the person doing "the impossible" and coming back to life. It's the same kind of nonsense as when people try to define "supernatural" and such.
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