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Why garden and not whole world?
March 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm
I mean seriously, it seems that humans actually advanced when they got out of the garden and got to live in the whole wide world.
Garden was like a prison, especially since all the animals, including dinosaurs, were crammed inside because it seems that the rest of the world was an unlivable desert, because why otherwise would they be limited to the garden? And also it says in Bible that there was no vegetation on Earth except in the garden.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 18, 2019 at 7:14 pm
(March 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I mean seriously, it seems that humans actually advanced when they got out of the garden and got to live in the whole wide world.
Garden was like a prison, especially since all the animals, including dinosaurs, were crammed inside because it seems that the rest of the world was an unlivable desert, because why otherwise would they be limited to the garden? And also it says in Bible that there was no vegetation on Earth except in the garden.
Many Christians have said that leaving the garden was a felix culpa.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 4:36 am
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(March 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I mean seriously, it seems that humans actually advanced when they got out of the garden and got to live in the whole wide world.
Garden was like a prison, especially since all the animals, including dinosaurs, were crammed inside because it seems that the rest of the world was an unlivable desert, because why otherwise would they be limited to the garden? And also it says in Bible that there was no vegetation on Earth except in the garden.
I didn't know that about the rest of the world. But then I went to a Catholic school. They didn't like us reading the bible, lest we misunderstood. I kid you not.
I finally did read our family Jerusalem ( approved Catholic ) bible at 16, being fed up with being told I should not. Don't remember that bit though. Of course it, it WAS over 50 years ago. 
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 5:02 am
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(March 19, 2019 at 4:36 am)fredd bear Wrote: They didn't like us reading the bible, lest we misunderstood.
This is a well-known part of Catholic history. Unlike Protestants, who may make an idol of the Bible, Catholics see scripture as only a part of their reasoning.
Given the idiotic way in which most people read the Bible, it's understandable they would want better-trained people to guide everyone else.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 7:34 am
(March 19, 2019 at 5:02 am)Belaqua Wrote: Given the idiotic way in which most people read the Bible, it's understandable they would want better-trained people to guide everyone else.
Idiotic?
Also, from what I understand, many christian denominations (like Protestants and Baptists) are against any guidance or comments on how to read the Bible and they belive that the only good way to read the Bible is just to read it.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 7:49 am
(March 19, 2019 at 7:34 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Also, from what I understand, many christian denominations (like Protestants and Baptists) are against any guidance or comments on how to read the Bible and they belive that the only good way to read the Bible is just to read it.
Well, I don't agree with them.
Biblical hermeneutics is a complex field with a long history. It's one of the reasons that non-biblical literature is so wonderfully full of different ways to give meaning and read meaning -- we have developed all this in part because reading the Bible prompted it.
For example, a four-level interpretation of the Bible is standard in both Judaism and Christianity. To accept that you can read it yourself and trust your own interpretation would be a terrible sign of pride, in my opinion.
That's why I say many people read it idiotically. If someone reads something and is sure that his own opinion is the only and best reading, it is clearly overly simple.
I also think that many religious texts are not intended to have a single definite meaning. It is a mistake to read them like journalism or science books, where clarity is a virtue. Religious texts tend to be more like difficult questions or prompts for thought.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 10:59 am
(March 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I mean seriously, it seems that humans actually advanced when they got out of the garden and got to live in the whole wide world.
Garden was like a prison, especially since all the animals, including dinosaurs, were crammed inside because it seems that the rest of the world was an unlivable desert, because why otherwise would they be limited to the garden? And also it says in Bible that there was no vegetation on Earth except in the garden.
Again... what if he did both?
In the gen 1 seven day of creation Father God created man on the earth day 6
In Gen 2 Jesus created Adam and eve apart fro 6 day man the father created.
So why both? to show our nature before God (when God is watching and we know it) and to show our nature when we do not know God is whatching, so that we may have an understanding as to why initially hide from us. So that our time here can be spent following our true hearts intentions. rather than pretending to love God that you know is watching, and or to see God beyond what is initially known or knowable.
Ask a question if you do not understand don't just comment from the cuff because you do not understand.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 11:06 am
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(March 19, 2019 at 5:02 am)Belaqua Wrote: This is a well-known part of Catholic history. Unlike Protestants, who may make an idol of the Bible, Catholics see scripture as only a part of their reasoning.
Given the idiotic way in which most people read the Bible, it's understandable they would want better-trained people to guide everyone else.
Indeed, it was also difficult to maintain social control if they allowed unauthorized interpretations to proliferate. The catholic interpretation isn't any less idiotic, but at least it's theirs.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 4:00 pm
(March 18, 2019 at 7:14 pm)Belaqua Wrote: (March 18, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I mean seriously, it seems that humans actually advanced when they got out of the garden and got to live in the whole wide world.
Garden was like a prison, especially since all the animals, including dinosaurs, were crammed inside because it seems that the rest of the world was an unlivable desert, because why otherwise would they be limited to the garden? And also it says in Bible that there was no vegetation on Earth except in the garden.
Many Christians have said that leaving the garden was a felix culpa.
Of course they do. It's the only rationalization that makes them feel good.
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RE: Why garden and not whole world?
March 19, 2019 at 7:02 pm
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(March 19, 2019 at 4:00 pm)wyzas Wrote: It's the only rationalization that makes them feel good.
Assuming that this is the cause would be the easiest answer, and would allow you to maintain a negative view of Christians without doing any further research. In that, it resembles the way bigots think.
The felix culpa also ties the Old Testament story into equally ancient traditions of katabasis literature. This is an important trope in myths in the Mesopotamian, Greek, and Roman worlds. In many cases, it symbolizes the need to leave one's place of origin and undergo hardship in order to mature fully.
I don't know when it becomes common to see the Christian story in this light. Dante doesn't see things that way, though others may have before him. Milton certainly believes in it, and that made it an essential trope for poets after him, especially the Romantics.
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