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Atheism is irrational.
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RE: Atheism is irrational.
(November 22, 2016 at 7:55 am)robvalue Wrote: 3. So there must be something that doesn't need a cause starting the chain.

How do we determine what that thing is?

This, to me, is what shows that none of the interventionist Gods that people believe in are real. For all of its flaws, the argument from design makes intuitive sense to people, and since the other explanation for the existence of the universe is "we don't know" it is that much more compelling to a mind that strongly desires closure in all matters. But that argument only gets us to one or more creators. It tells us nothing about it or them. NOTHING.

So it's not surprising that throughout human history our Gods are too numerous to count and they come in every possible variety. Even today --after centuries of discussion and argumentation and interpretation and philosophizing-- people cannot agree on who or what this God is and what it or they want. Ask a bunch of people of the same religious denomination to describe God and you will get a different description from each one. If all of these 'proofs' of God can't get us any further than "God has to exist" then there is no way to determine who/what it/they are.

I'm willing to grant the claim that a God is necessary just so that we can watch as the multitude of religions and denominations go about determining just who this necessary being is. How long before we go from arguing about how to apply metaphysics to a room full of dead zealots?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 20, 2016 at 11:36 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Silver - November 20, 2016 at 11:38 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by AceBoogie - December 5, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Angrboda - November 20, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 20, 2016 at 11:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 12:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 12:02 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 2:30 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - December 6, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - December 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by FallentoReason - November 21, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 12:08 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 12:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Alex K - November 21, 2016 at 12:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 12:35 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 12:46 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:11 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Minimalist - November 21, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 21, 2016 at 12:48 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 21, 2016 at 1:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 4:48 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Primordial Bisque - November 21, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 22, 2016 at 5:34 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 22, 2016 at 5:28 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Angrboda - November 21, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by theologian - November 21, 2016 at 2:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Silver - November 21, 2016 at 2:03 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 21, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Jesster - November 21, 2016 at 2:31 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by I_am_not_mafia - November 21, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Bob Kelso - November 21, 2016 at 4:06 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 21, 2016 at 5:06 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 21, 2016 at 6:22 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 6:35 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 21, 2016 at 6:39 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Faith No More - November 21, 2016 at 7:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 21, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by brewer - November 21, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cato - November 21, 2016 at 7:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by 8BitAtheist - November 21, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Shell B - November 21, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by houseofcantor - November 22, 2016 at 8:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by zebo-the-fat - November 21, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - November 21, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Opoponax - November 21, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Minimalist - November 22, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 21, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Fake Messiah - November 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 21, 2016 at 4:52 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Joker - November 21, 2016 at 5:26 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 21, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 4:19 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 22, 2016 at 7:53 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 22, 2016 at 10:01 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - November 22, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by LastPoet - November 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - November 22, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 22, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 23, 2016 at 6:43 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 23, 2016 at 6:38 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 22, 2016 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 22, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by houseofcantor - November 22, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Faith No More - November 22, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 22, 2016 at 8:09 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Excited Penguin - November 22, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - November 22, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 22, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - November 22, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 22, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Jesster - November 22, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Gemini - November 23, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - November 23, 2016 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 24, 2016 at 2:21 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by robvalue - November 23, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Astreja - November 23, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Mister Agenda - November 23, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by downbeatplumb - November 23, 2016 at 2:43 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:13 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Thumpalumpacus - November 23, 2016 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2016 at 7:30 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - November 24, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - November 24, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Edwardo Piet - November 23, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - November 30, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 30, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - November 30, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - November 30, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 2, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Ravenshire - December 7, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Whateverist - December 3, 2016 at 11:40 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 2, 2016 at 1:55 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 5, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 7, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 9, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 14, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Asmodee - December 15, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Pat Mustard - December 7, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Fireball - December 7, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by downbeatplumb - December 3, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - December 3, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by chimp3 - December 3, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by dyresand - December 5, 2016 at 2:36 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cyberman - December 7, 2016 at 8:58 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Neo-Scholastic - December 7, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Tonus - December 7, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 5:29 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Cecelia - December 7, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2016 at 7:16 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by maestroanth - December 10, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by comet - December 13, 2016 at 8:32 pm
RE: Atheism is irrational. - by comet - December 14, 2016 at 9:04 pm

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