RE: My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees
December 6, 2016 at 2:36 am
(This post was last modified: December 6, 2016 at 2:59 am by henryp.)
(December 6, 2016 at 1:23 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:There's an idea I've been trying to flush out in my mind I think of as progressive privilege. It's this weird phenomenon, where a group of people feel their pace for figuring out morality should dictate the pace of the entirety of humanity. It's a very odd thing.(December 6, 2016 at 1:17 am)wallym Wrote: Does what Syria and Russia are doing to those people seem out of character with the history of humanity?
It's kind of silly. America is here because our ancestors killed a lot of people. A LOT of people. And once they got everything they wanted, and were on top of the world, they said "Alright! Time Out! Killing's bad. Everybody has to be nice now!"
Indians: Now that you guys admit conquering is bad, can we have our land back.
US: Sorry buddy, that was before we called timeout on conquering.
US: *TIME IN!* invades Iraq *TIME OUT*
Syria: Doh! You guys are very quick with your times ins and outs!
What's your point? As time goes on and as we become more civilized, we learn from our mistakes, and things that were thought to be "ok" at one point, like slavery, rape, and genocide, are now seen as the monstrocities that they really are. It's disturbing to see someone saying that killing innocent ppl is a "fine" option just because it was viewed as ok at certain points in history. I'd like to think decent, civilized people have moved past that.
Gay rights is the easiest example. In 2008, everybody voted for a candidate who said marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Hillary, Barack, and McCain. Unanimous, across the board. Fast -forward 8 years, and Hillary is saying if you are against gay marriage, you are a deplorable bigot.
Somehow, her changing her opinion means everybody else also had to change their position. People seem to think wherever they are is where everyone else should be. We, I include myself, don't want slavery, rape, or genocide. But that's just a coincidence of our circumstance. If it were 1500, I'd be loving me some slaves, raping, and genocide, (or hating it depending on where I was)
The tricky part, and this is where my lack of empathy helps me empathize, is that us thinking slavery/rape/genocide is bad doesn't make it bad for everyone else. Slavery/Rape/Genocide are the same as always. They haven't gotten better or worse. They are just actions. The good bad stuff is our own creation.
I'm sure as a Catholic, you have to wrap your head around this type of thing all the time. Do you view John Paul II a bigot? Or Francis as a heretic?
It's trickier, I think, than people like to let on.
(December 6, 2016 at 2:04 am)Orochi Wrote:(December 6, 2016 at 2:01 am)wallym Wrote: I'm not trying to 'cloak my inhumanity'. I'm a sociopath. Much of what you consider to be someone's 'humanity' I just don't have. I think it's a considered a mental illness though, so if you call me names, you're a bigot.
Nope I'm calling something what it is by your own admission
I wasn't implying you were calling me names. It's a bit of an inside joke for myself. A thing REALLY progressive folks like is neurodiversity. The intention was to get autistic folks under the umbrella, but a side effect is that my 'inhumanity' as you would put it, should be 'recognized and respected' in the same way gender/sexual preference/ethnicity are. I get a kick out of it, because it fucks up their system.
Re: Sociopathy invalidates my perspective
Depends. Do you think a detached perspective can be better than a that of a person who is heavily invested?