My (probably unpopular) opinion on arab refugees

[Mister Agenda]

These refugees have strong religious beliefs, and if you let them in, their religion will start to spread. They will start building churches and mosques. And this, in the long run, will hurt society, the world, a lot more than letting some people die. Yes, even children. (Example of this: Londonistan, eh, I mena, London)

What, like these people?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...84146.html

Or this man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2cjYaXC1sg

I think I'm going to start doing this more often, showing people what exactly these "strong religious beliefs" are and what their "culture" is like.

I'm not doing this to deny that there's real Wahhabism and a push for Sharia even in Europe, there is. But we seriously need to stop indirectly giving power to Islamists by erasing normal people, to whom Islam is just one part of their multi-faceted identities. Like I said yesterday, you are not going to beat this far-right Islamist movement by shaming this apparently homogeneous "Muslim community". Change comes with normalising stories like the ones I posted, instead of giving so much attention and platforming to reactionary religious fascism masquerading as "authentic culture".

I observed something similar: the local mosque, run by an Imam from Egypt, was much more conservative than what the Somali Bantu refugees were used to. When they came here, the women and teenage girls wore colorful scarves, not hijab. After attending the mosque in Columbia SC, the girls were indoctrinated into wearing hijab and drab clothes. Their parents protested and the compromise was that they could still wear colorful clothes, but would also wear hijab. Since moving away (mostly to New York state) some of them have gone back to scarves.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/image...J07b7gaQM_

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My problem with it is this: what about all the other Arab countries? Why aren't they all helping to take their "brothers" in? I'm particularly thinking of Saudi fucking Arabia on this one. Without getting into a geography/sunni/shia discussion, why aren't particular countries taking in the members of their preferred faith?

Some are, but many are not.

I saw a video a while back that had an Arab woman excoriating Saudi Arabia over this. She pointed out that if there were 10 Americans in trouble, the United States would send a carrier group, but the Saudis see hundreds of thousands in trouble and can't be moved to do anything.

And I also think it's idiotic for Germany to have let so many in wholesale. The problems are going to reverberate throughout that nation well until after every person now living is dead.

I for one, would hate to see Syrian refugees wind up in Saudi Arabia, one of the most repressive and religiously conservative regimes in the world. The Syrians were born and raised in a modern secular state, one run by an autocrat, but it had freedom of religion and state-funded college. Most adult Syrians have degrees and know how to use a computer. They are highly desirable as immigrants and them winding up in Saudi Arabia would be a loss for all concerned, except the Saudis.

I think it's important to make a distinction between economic migrants and registered refugees. Refugees are vetted, it's everyone else who crosses borders that isn't, including most Americans when they travel abroad.

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We must not lie to ourselves even if it makes us feel better. There are always unfortunate people around the world who suffer because of the decisions of other people. Not much to do about it. What we can do is try to be a decent human being, and thats it.

All of you who are playing the white knights, dont be hypocrites.

How many people around you need help, and you do nothing about it? Not even feel pity. Dont play the good guys when you dont move a finger to help those in need.

Are you familiar with the idea of projection in psychology? It's a defense mechanism where a person imagines other people possess in equal or greater measure a quality of the person doing the projection. Not everyone is like you, as convenient a salve as it would be to your conscience if they were.

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I'm saying this is how things are. That's just the dice evolution rolled.  It's not good or bad.  It just is.  Our evolutionary situation has put us in a nice safe comfortable bubble.  But do you see that you are viewing this from a very specific perspective that only applies to people in a very specific place and time.

And that the twofold irony, that your specific place and time were created by 1) the thing you are condemning (sorry indians), 2) a system that allows your place and time to be preserved through the actions you are condemning without you having to feel responsible for it (I held up a sign against it).

Evolution is not a proper consideration when determining what the right thing to do is BECAUSE it isn't good or bad. And history is not an excuse for repeating mistakes. Irony is also not an excuse to not do the right thing.

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If Schopenhauer was alive, and he had access to internet and this forum, you would call it a depressed, sad, lonely man.

I dont consider myself to be a bad person, nor do I think I have a grim vision of the world. I just dont like thinking everything is peace and love.

Because there's absolutely no space between 'the world is a cold, cold place where you can't expect any mercy' and 'everything is peaceful, loving, and delightful', eh?