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Prayer
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RE: Prayer
I find it amusing that being granted anything, even emotional strength, by a god, is seen to be "other than supernatural".  Of course, some catholics do believe that god can supernaturally grant a person real goods........and then there's intercession - which is theologically non-negotiable as a catholic....so it's a bit disingenuous to say that catholics don't see prayer as a divine wish granting mechanism.  That's the whole -point- of saints. Perhaps -some- catholics do not believe that real goods can be wish granted, but that probably has more to do with there being no wish granted goods, than with catholic beliefs. I'm willing to bet that any catholic who thinks that prayer -doesn't- or -can't- supernaturally grant real goods is in the minority. It's increasingly becoming a third world religion, after all. Catholic mothers in african shitholes aren't praying for "emotional strength". That's a first world problem, for first world believers, in a first world god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Prayer - by Athena777 - December 5, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 5, 2016 at 10:01 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Prayer - by Mr Greene - December 5, 2016 at 10:13 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Prayer - by c172 - December 5, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Prayer - by zebo-the-fat - December 5, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 5, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Prayer - by Neo-Scholastic - December 6, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Neo-Scholastic - December 6, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 8, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 8, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 9, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 12, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: Prayer - by Rhizomorph13 - December 5, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 11:56 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 12:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 5, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 1:41 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Thumpalumpacus - December 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 5, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 2:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by downbeatplumb - December 10, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:19 pm
RE: Prayer - by Ravenshire - December 6, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:22 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 5, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 5, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by chimp3 - December 5, 2016 at 6:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Pat Mustard - December 6, 2016 at 7:35 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Prayer - by Pat Mustard - December 6, 2016 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Prayer - by Pat Mustard - December 6, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:52 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Prayer - by chimp3 - December 6, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by Crossless1 - December 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Jesster - December 5, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 5, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 4:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 5, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 5, 2016 at 4:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Joods - December 6, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 5:14 am
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 5:24 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 7:07 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 7:27 am
RE: Prayer - by tigerlove - December 6, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 6, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by Drich - December 6, 2016 at 4:28 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:23 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Prayer - by emjay - December 6, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 6, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 12:53 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 2:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by Pat Mustard - December 6, 2016 at 7:51 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 2:48 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 3:40 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 6, 2016 at 4:57 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by Homeless Nutter - December 6, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 6, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 2:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Prayer - by ApeNotKillApe - December 6, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by ukatheist - December 6, 2016 at 2:08 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 6, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 8:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 8:16 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 9:34 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:02 pm
RE: Prayer - by Faith No More - December 7, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 7, 2016 at 12:32 pm
RE: Prayer - by Cyberman - December 6, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 6, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 10:07 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 7, 2016 at 12:22 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 7, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 6, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 6, 2016 at 11:58 pm
RE: Prayer - by The Grand Nudger - December 7, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 7, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Prayer - by Catholic_Lady - December 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 8, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: Prayer - by Minimalist - December 8, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 10, 2016 at 4:24 pm
RE: Prayer - by Whateverist - December 12, 2016 at 12:49 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 5:09 pm
RE: Prayer - by vorlon13 - December 12, 2016 at 7:56 pm
RE: Prayer - by Nay_Sayer - December 12, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 12, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Prayer - by Pat Mustard - December 12, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Prayer - by robvalue - December 13, 2016 at 4:43 am
RE: Prayer - by Asmodee - December 13, 2016 at 12:38 pm

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